Unearthed: Chris Matthews Reports Obama Born In Indonesia And Has Islamic Background

http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/09/unearthed-video-chris-matthews-reports.html ^ | Sep 23, 2015

[Ray76]

Chris Matthews reported back on December 18th, 2007 that 2008 presidential candidate Barack Obama was born in Indonesia and has an Islamic background.

Video at link

[Nero Germanicus]

Blah, blah, blah.

Follow the law, get to see the original birth certificate.
If any judge or any member of Congress feels the need to look at that original piece of paper they can simply follow the law of the state of Hawaii and achieve that goal.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18(b):
“The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record.
The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

The state of Hawaii has issued six verification statements for Barack Obama’s original birth certificate. To sane people, that bridge has long been crossed. Anyone who doesn’t believe that Hawaiian officials are telling the truth should arrange to have them subpoenaed to testify under oath before a committee of Congress, subpoena them to appear under oath before a grand jury, or depose them, again, under oath. The state Registrar can be asked to bring the original birth certificate with him to his appearance.

Two excerpts from those verification statements. I have put the word “original” in capital letters where it appears:
Immediate Release: October 31, 2008
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s ORIGINAL birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
The Hawaii State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawaii,” Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the ORIGINAL records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii.”

[Fightin Whitey]

More crap lol.

Stuff it back where it came from, if there’s room.

And have a gay day, as I assume you will.

[Fantasywriter]

If it’s the real, original BC, why doesn’t it list the address where Stanley Ann was living at the time of Little Barry’s birth?

[Nero Germanicus]

The only data on a birth certificate that is relevant to Article II, Section 1 eligibility is the place of birth and the date of birth. Any candidate can use a driver’s license, a passport, a birth certificate or other forms of ID to establish that data.

The birth mother’s home address is irrelevant. It has never been raised as an issue in more than 220 lawsuits concerning Obama’s eligibility.

If Stanley Ann Dunham listed an incorrect home address, that’s on her, it does not invalidate the birth certificate. Its a BIRTH certificate not a birth mother’s home address certificate.

Someone would need to prove to Triers of Fact that the place of birth and/or the date of birth are incorrect and no one has been able to do that over the past 8 years.

[DiogenesLamp]

Follow the law, get to see the original birth certificate.

Sure. But nobody followed the law, and you have cheered them every step of the way in not following the law.

Now we have turned into case law the ridiculous proposition that a secretary of state has no requirement to follow the law, but can do so if they feel like it.

If people had simply followed the law in regards to article II, we would have either seen a certified copy of the original birth certificate, or Obama would have had to withdraw.

But nowadays "The Law" has come to mean whatever is the latest fad among the Judiciary, and as such it no longer possesses anything resembling a solid meaning.

It has become infinitely variable, and has in fact ceased to be "the Law". It has now become a series of Diktats.

You may be happy with this state of affairs at the present, but I am sure you will find it less and less to your liking with the passage of time.

[DiogenesLamp]

I have no interest in reading whatever it is you have to say. You are an obsessed loon with delusions of competence, and the less time I spend pondering your imponderables the better.

[Ray76]

> The only data on a birth certificate that is relevant to Article II, Section 1 eligibility is the place of birth and the date of birth.

So says you.

[Fantasywriter]

Bladedeblahdedeblah. You will gabble anything to avoid answering a simple question. It’s a psychotic world you live in, divorced not merely from reality but also from sanity.

Stanley Ann did not give a mistaken address. She had no HI address at that time, and a forged BC is the ONLY evidence to suggest she was there at all.

Try hard to collect your scattered wits, supposing you have any. Here is a simple question. Try to answer more sanely than you did the previous time.

Namely, the National Archive records for foreign arrivals to HI for the wk of Obama’s [supposed] birth are missing. All the rest of the records are there, intact. WHY, if the nativity narrative of ‘born in HI’ is true, would it be necessary to destroy those particular records?

[Nero Germanicus]

Don’t get discouraged now, but nobody cares what Stanley Ann Dunham’s address was 54 years ago. Its the address of Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital that mattered.
The U.S. Constitution states that “Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”— Article IV, Section 1
And Federal Rule of Evidence 902 states that there is “Evidence That Is Self-Authenticating”
The following items of evidence are self-authenticating; they require no extrinsic evidence of authenticity in order to be admitted:
(1) Domestic Public Documents That Are Sealed and Signed. A document that bears:
(A) a seal purporting to be that of the United States; any state, district, commonwealth, territory, or insular possession of the United States; the former Panama Canal Zone; the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands; a political subdivision of any of these entities; or a department, agency, or officer of any entity named above; and
(B) a signature purporting to be an execution or attestation.

Under the Full Faith and Credit Clause and Federal Rule of Evidence 902, Barack Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth must be accepted and it has been accepted as valid, authentic and genuine over the last eight years.

[Fantasywriter]

I told you before you don’t have to knock yourself out anymore to prove you’re a liberal leftist Obama shill. You proved that long ago. Nowadays you can rest on your laurels, so far as that point is concerned.

Since you are a leftist obot, you dodge questions that put the lie to Obama’s tall birther tales with one excuse after another. If you were a conservative, you’d know that the pursuit of truth always matters. That’s one of the more basic dividing lines between liberalism and conservatism: liberals do everything possible to dodge, avoid and obscure the truth; conservatives value truth for its own sake, and don’t stop digging till they find it.

Still waiting for you to answer the question about the National Archives. Be interesting to see how far into lalaland you’re willing to venture tonight, in your never-ending quest to defend the pathological liar in chief.

[CpnHook]

I have no interest in reading whatever it is you have to say.

Well, gosh. The last time your excuse for not replying was you had no audience. And now here's the audience. Though no doubt that's a good reason for you to stay away.

[DiogenesLamp]

Simple minds are seemingly easily confused. We are now talking about Barack Obama, which is only tangentially related to the correct meaning of the term of art "natural born citizen."

This is another reason I can't stand arguing with you. You can't keep the bits and pieces of any topic in their proper place. You routinely conflate one thing with another and with another and so on ad infinitum.

You are really a second class mind with no real ability at reason or logic. You deceitfully interpret everything in whatever slip shod way is necessary to arrive at your predetermined conclusions, and it is a D@mn nuisance trying to untangle all the strands of your contortions just to make a stab at rebutting your crap.

Now why don't you go somewhere and play the dozens, because that is seemingly all you know how to do.

[DiogenesLamp]

Under the Full Faith and Credit Clause and Federal Rule of Evidence 902, Barack Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth must be accepted and it has been accepted as valid, authentic and genuine over the last eight years.

But under the rules of sanity and common sense, we must deliberately reject legal technicality bullshit when it doesn't actually have a bearing on the truth.

Yes, your Kabuki dance legal circle jerk has a bunch of crap rules, and the process Nazis that inhabit such circle jerks absolutely insist we all follow this ineffective and subjective load of crap methodologies, because it is the process which is more important than the results in their little bizzaro world.

We see how well it works in practice, because the same group of legal geniuses have now given us "gay marriage."

That is all anyone needs to know to realize the legal system is now a clown college.

[Nero Germanicus]

I’ll go with the Constitution, every time. There is nothing in Article IV, Section 1 or in Federal Rule of Evidence 902 that prohibits a finding that a particular public record is altered or invalid. Its just that it has never happened in the case of the publc record that is under discussion here. No one has been able to convince a prosecutor to look into it.

Your cartoon was cute though.

[DiogenesLamp]

I’ll go with the Constitution, every time.

No you don't. You let inferior state law stand in the way of a constitutional mandate. You revel in the fact that state officials cannot be made to do their jobs, and that a state law protects that lying sack of sh*t from showing anyone his original document.

You do not support original intent or constitutional law. You support the obstruction of it through legal technicality bullshit.

[4Zoltan]

She didn’t list an incorrect address. She listed her parents address. The 1961 Polk City Directories proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Nothing mysterious or sinister about it.

[Nero Germanicus]

Has it ever occurred to you that if any if your pet theories had the slightest bit of substance or validity, someone intelligent would have applied them “in vivo” years ago?
Please keep waiting for me to respond about the National Archives and DO hold your breath.

[4Zoltan]

No birth certificate provides proof all indicate a place of birth. A number of states have similar laws. Hawaii’s law was first written in 1982 so wouldn’t apply to a 1961 birth certificate.

We know that Hawaii adoption birth certificates list actual place of birth because that is required by law.

Nowhere in Hawaii law does it state that a delayed birth certificate lists the place of examination as the birth place. Or that an examining Doctor can be listed as the attendant. How can a doctor who was at the birth certify the hour of birth?

It would appear that those who assert Hawaii was handing out BCs like lollipops are people who don’t want to accept a Hawaiian birth certificate. They present no evidence to back up their claims which strangely enough did begin until 2008.

On the other hand data shows there was no large spike in record births in the years before, during or after WWII.

Just unsubstantiated claims.

[Fantasywriter]

The listing was supposed to be her home address. She wasn’t living with her parents. I’ve been through all this with you. You made up one imaginary scenario after another. It was sad and ludicrous at the same time. The facts are not on your side. That doesn’t give you the right to make stuff up out of thin air and pretend it’s true.

[Fantasywriter]

Look, I don’t blame you for not answering the question. There is no answer that is not damning to the ‘born in HI’ myth. Your refusal to answer proves this point quite nicely. ALL the facts are against the obots. It’s hilarious to watch them/you dance wildly around the truth. The more frantically you dance, the funnier you look.