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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Again, not looking for a religious argument, but the answer to your first question is “no” I wasn’t in any way suggesting that the Bible says the earth is flat.
What I am saying is that even though the Bible and Pythagoras, may have made suggestion, even openly said that the earth was a circle, The religious scholars at the time our version of the Bible was translated didn’t recognize that knowledge, and they were still executing “heretics” who believed that the Earth revolved around the Sun, and their common belief was the earth was flat. Now, with our expanded intelligence we can study the Bible, and see it was correct, The Earth is round.

“Our planet is unique in the galaxy, designed specifically for human life.”

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. We now know there are 100 billion stars just in our galaxy alone. We have 2 telescopes in space that in just 3 years have found thousands of planets in the “Goldilocks” zone of these stars. These planets show evidence of oxygen-Nitrogen based atmospheres. They also show evidence of moisture.
While we haven’t found evidence of life, we have definitely seen other Planets capable of supporting it.

“He created a universe for us to marvel”

I believe we were given the universe for more than this. One of God’s commands to Noah was “Go forth, be fruitful, and multiply”. Go forth was the first order of business in that statement, and God built a natural curiosity into us. He wants us to expand our mind. He wants us to see what’s out there. There may not be other life out there, but we have to go forth and find out.
To me it’s kind of like saying the Bible says God will heal us, but refusing to go to the Doctor who He gave the understanding of the body to be healed. If God expected us to only be healed by His word why give the surgeon the skills to save us. He gave the scientist the mind to understand complex math, the pilot the skill to fly, the artist, the ability to create beautiful images, or music.
God’s wishes for us are parallel to a parents wishes for a child. He wants us to love Him, and revere Him, but he also wants us to dream, and go, and reach, and discover as much as we can.
We know God loves us, He couldn’t have shown it any better than allowing us the ability to find Him any way we can.


111 posted on 07/22/2015 11:34:23 PM PDT by rikkir (Anyone still believe the 8/08 Atlantic cover wasn't 100% accurate?)
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To: rikkir
As you pointed out, the Bible is proven correct about the Earth not being flat. As science, including archaeology advances, more of the Bible continues to be proven correct and in the fullness of time, this planet being alone in the universe, as a home for physical life, will be proven.

AFA the Earth being unique, have a look at Giglio's video that I linked on my previous response to your comments. Here is a link to an apologetics website that suggests the odds are 1:10~99 (1/1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 give or take a decimal place) that a planet with a similar set of characteristics exists. There are estimated to be 10~24 (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) planets, so the odds are reduced to 1:10~75 of finding one similar planet. Better odds, but I wouldn't waste a dime on such a bet.

Based on the Bible, it can be argued logically against any physical life existing on any other planet. I'll leave that up to an article from The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (blue text) that handles the question with greater finesse than I.

The Bible says there is one Trinitarian God. Jesus was God in flesh (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8), second person of the Trinity, and died for our sins (Rom. 5:8; 1 Pet. 2:24). If there were other beings on other planets that have sinned, then they would need a redeemer. God would have to die for them as well.

Only God can forgive sins. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9), is forever a man (1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 7:17, 21), and died for the sins of people here on earth (Rom. 5:8). Therefore, I conclude that the only members left in the Trinity to die for the sins of another race would be the Father and the Holy Spirit. But this doesn't seem credible since the focus of the Trinitarian effort in this world has been for the Father to elect a people (Luke 18:7; Rom. 8:33), the Son to redeem them (John 6:39; 17:9, 24; Rom. 5:8; 1 Pet. 2:24), and the Holy Spirit to fill, guide, and indwell them (Acts 4:29-31; John 16:13; Rom. 8:9-14). The focus of their effort has been this world and the redemption of mankind--not anywhere else.

Second, if there were life on other planets, would it be possible that they never sinned and don't need a redeemer? I think this question can be answered by the Bible where it says that creation is groaning, waiting for its redemption at the return of Christ (Rom. 8:22). That would mean that all of creation was affected by the fall. When Adam sinned, the ground was cursed and death entered the world. If that is so, then any other beings out there that were made in God's image, would have fallen too since they would be part of creation. I don't see how they could escape the effect of the fall. They would be sinners, too, and need a redeemer. Then they would fall under the first objection above.

Third, there are only two options available to explain our existence: creation and evolution. I have studied the theory of evolution and do not believe it is a viable option to explain how we got here. I do not accept evolution for two reasons: (1) the Bible says God created life on earth; that means it did not evolve, and (2) the problems of spontaneous life formation are so immense that it is impossible. Also, missing links abound, the fossil record is spotty at best, DNA mutation theory is insufficient to account for life-form development, and more . . . but this paper is not a refutation of evolution.

I am up way too late, so I'm calling it a night. If needed, we can continue this tomorrow.

123 posted on 07/23/2015 1:24:13 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: rikkir
show evidence of oxygen-Nitrogen based atmospheres. They also show evidence of moisture. While we haven’t found evidence of life,

Ummm, free oxygen is evidence of life.

Raw oxygen is quickly consumed in chemical reactions, it rusts away, if you will. See Mars.

Still, thousands of locally observable planets with scummy algae choked waters doesn't show the presence of intelligent life on any of them.

128 posted on 07/23/2015 7:42:13 AM PDT by null and void (If the government can't protect the Marines, how can we expect it to protect us?)
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