Posted on 06/14/2015 2:51:29 PM PDT by Perdogg
Tomorrow, you can hardly have failed to notice, marks the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta, the document famously issued by King John at Runnymede on June 15, 1215. Most people are understandably a little hazy about the charter’s contents (it runs to 63 clauses and over 4,000 words). But they are aware that it was a “good thing” – a significant step in the direction of the liberties we enjoy today.
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No, but it was part of the process of the development of Parliament in England. Magna Carta required that the King had to have the consent of a council in order to levy taxes, which meant for the first time that a King had no choice under certain circumstances to convene such a council (previous Kings had done so, but were not legally required to). This idea that the King had to call and consult a council is what developed into Parliament (and the term started being used in the 1230s). From 1258, Henry III was compelled to summon Parliament at least three times a year and that began the idea of Parliament as something approaching a standing body with regular sittings.
The first Parliament to involve commoners was convened in 1265, fifty years after Magna Carta. After that, it became normal for common representatives to be summoned to Parliaments, but until 1341, both the Lords and Commons sat as a single chamber - they were only divided then into separate Houses.
How bad was King John? Bad enough that his subjects invited the French to invade to help get rid of him. They never did though. He ended up dying of dysentery.
How bad was King John? Bad enough that centuries later there is a Disney movie about a folk hero who opposed John... and Roger Miller did the soundtrack.
In 2015 the so called president of the USA acts like a king. The most evil monarch in America’s history
A more accurate term for Obama is tyrant.
King John was not a good man,
And no good friends had he.
He stayed in every afternoon…
But no one came to tea.
And, round about December,
The cards upon his shelf
Which wished him lots of Christmas cheer,
And fortune in the coming year,
Were never from his near and dear,
But only from himself.
Yep. Henry VIII probably the worst, by far…almost as bad as Vlad the Impaler.
Vlad didn’t deserve his reputation. Everything he did was to repel the Muslim invaders.
There would be some stiff competition for that title.
There’s a theory now that Henry 8 had some kind of disease that made him crazy—
With a religious uprising, Henry8 murdered thousands…one of the striking historical scenes in the Tudors TV special series, which was largely fantastical otherwise. (But I watched every minute!)
A pox on the phony king of England.
Ooo-da-lally!
Ah, the Plantagenets..were they a good bunch or no?
The whole GD bunch were something else. Which one ordered the murder of Thomas?
I think you need to add an 'I' to #4, you are thinking of Richard III of York, the infamous 'hunchback' of Shakespeare's historical play. In that case I do agree, he belongs in that selection.
Big week in English / Great Britain history - Monday is 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta, Thursday, the 18th, is the 200th anniversary of Waterloo!
Drat, I wish we had an edit function - Richard II is 'Hunchback', Richard III is the usurper and likely orderer of the deaths of the 'Princes in the Tower', Edward V & Richard of Shrewsbury.
Neither were very nice people but especially to their family!
Ah, the Plantagenets..were they a good bunch or no?That would be Henry FitzEmpress, the 1st Plantagenet.The whole GD bunch were something else. Which one ordered the murder of Thomas?
***Thomas Becket
Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury, was killed in December 1170. Becket’s death remains one of the most famous stories associated with Medieval England.
In Medieval England the Church was all powerful. The fear of going to Hell was very real and people were told that only the Catholic Church could save your soul so that you could go to Heaven. The head of the Catholic Church was the pope based in Rome. The most important position in the church in Medieval England was the Archbishop of Canterbury and both he and the king usually worked together.
A king of England could not remove a pope from his position but popes claimed that they could remove a king by excommunicating him – this meant that the king’s soul was condemned to Hell and people then had the right to disobey the king.
For people in England , there was always the real problem – do you obey the king or the pope ? In fact, this was rarely a problem as both kings and popes tended to act together as both wanted to remain powerful. On two occasions they fell out – one involved the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket, and the other Henry VIII.
In 1162, Henry II, king of England, appointed Thomas Becket, as Archbishop of Canterbury. This was the most important religious position in England. No-one was surprised by Henry’s choice as both he and Thomas were very good friends. They enjoyed hunting, playing jokes and socialising together. Becket was known to be a lover of wine and a good horse rider. Henry II loved to ride as well but his personality was troubled by his fearsome temper. He tried to keep his temper under control by working very hard as it distracted him from things that might sparked off his temper.
Henry II also controlled a lot of France at this time. William the Conqueror had been his great-grandfather and he had inherited his French territories as a result of this. When Henry was in France sorting out problems there, he left Becket in charge of England – such was his trust in him. Becket became Henry’s chancellor – the most important position in England after the king.
When the Archbishop of Canterbury died in 1162, Henry saw the chance to give his close friend even more power by appointing him Archbishop of Canterbury – the most important church position in England. Why would Henry do this ?
In Henry’s reign, the Church had its own courts and any member of the Church could decide to be tried in a Church court rather than a royal court. Church courts usually gave out easier punishments to churchmen who had done wrong. Henry believed that this undermined his authority. As king, he was concerned that England was becoming too lawless – there was too much crime. He believed that Church courts did not set a good example as they were too soft on offenders. For example, a royal court would blind or cut off the hand of a thief; a Church court might send a thief on a pilgrimage.
Henry hoped that by appointing his good friend Becket, he might have more of a say in how the Church punished offenders. He hoped that Becket would do as he wished and toughen up the sentences passed out by Church courts.
Becket did not want the job. As chancellor, he was as powerful as he wished to be. He also had an excellent relationship with Henry, and he did not want to spoil this. In fact, on being offered the post, Becket wrote to Henry that “our friendship will turn to hate.” However, Henry persuaded Becket and he agreed in 1162 to the appointment. His letter was indeed to become prophetic.
The post of Archbishop changed Becket. He dropped his luxurious lifestyle; he ate bread and drank water, he had a luxury bed but preferred to sleep on the floor; he wore the rich clothes of an archbishop, but underneath the fine tunics he wore a horse hair shirt – very itchy and unpleasant to wear. He gave his expensive food to the poor.
In 1164, the first sign of a split between Henry and Thomas occurred. Henry passed a law which stated that any person found guilty in a Church court would be punished by a royal court. Becket refused to agree to this, and knowing of Henry’s temper, he fled abroad for his own safety.
It took six years before Becket felt safe enough to return to England. However, they quickly fell out again when Becket asked the pope to excommunicate the Archbishop of York who had taken sides with the king. This was a very serious request and a very serious punishment for someone who could claim that he was only being loyal to the king. Henry was furious when he found out what Becket had done. He is said to have shouted out “will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest ?” Four knights heard what Henry had shouted and took it to mean that the king wanted Becket dead. They rode to Canterbury to carry out the deed. The knights were Reginald FitzUrse, William de Tracey, Hugh de Morville and Richard le Breton. On December 29th 1170 they killed Becket in Canterbury Cathedral. After killing him, one of the knights said “Let us away. He will rise no more.”
Becket’s body was still on the cathedral floor when people from Canterbury came in and tore off pieces of his clothes and then dipped these pieces in his blood. They believed that they would bring them luck and keep evil away.
Where Becket died quickly became a place of pilgrimage. The pope quickly made him a saint. Henry II asked the pope for forgiveness and he walked bare foot to Canterbury to pray at the spot where Becket was killed. Monks whipped him while he prayed.
People left valuables at the spot of his death. It became a shrine to him and people claimed that a visit to the shrine left them free of illness and disease. No-one dared to touch the valuables there until Henry VIII shut down the monasteries and churches and took away any valuables he wanted. It took 21 carts to remove the valuables from Becket’s shrine at Canterbury Cathedral.
You are right. My bad.
Totally agree!
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