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Musk blames SpaceX rocket landing FAIL on lazy 'throttle valve response'
theregister.co.uk ^ | Kelly Fiveash

Posted on 04/19/2015 2:52:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Billionaire biz baron Elon Musk has revealed a few more details about why SpaceX's latest attempt to land a rocket in one piece at sea had failed.

The Register reported on the drama as it unfolded on Tuesday. Once again, Falcon 9 successfully launched the capsule payload to 'nauts on the International Space Station, only for the rocket to hit the "just read the instructions" deck hard on its shaky return to Earth.

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: colonization; elonmusk; falcon9; iss; mars; nasa; spaceexploration; spacex
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1 posted on 04/19/2015 2:52:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
Video from the barge...

SpaceX is the NASCAR of Space launch companies.

2 posted on 04/19/2015 2:58:19 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: BenLurkin

The whole deal is an embedded systems problem.

Believe me. This is a complicated problem...when they work it out it will shave mucho $$$ from the cost of a space launch.

It is ROCKET SCIENCE after all....


3 posted on 04/19/2015 2:58:49 PM PDT by Bobalu (If we live to see 2017 we will be kissing the ground)
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To: BenLurkin

If I may translate:

It descended too fast because a sticky throttle valve limited the thrust required to slow the descent sufficient for the horizontal thrusters to maintain a vertical attitude and a soft landing.


4 posted on 04/19/2015 2:59:04 PM PDT by G Larry (Hillary Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: BenLurkin

If he’s so rich, why ain’t he smart?

;-)


5 posted on 04/19/2015 3:01:05 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: BenLurkin

Goddard knew that. Con Braun knew that.

They spent all this dough and just now realize.. Oops.


6 posted on 04/19/2015 3:02:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: BenLurkin

I’m sure Musk will have no problem sucking, er, up to Obama for more handouts in order to fix it.
A real capitalist would risk his own money with investor backing instead of shoving the risk onto the taxpayers...


7 posted on 04/19/2015 3:03:34 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Bobalu
Yep. I was project historian for the National Aerospace Plane program, 1988-1995 (wrote the official history called "The Quest for the Orbital Jet," (http://www.amazon.com/Hypersonic-Revolution-Studies-History-Technology/dp/1478146176/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429481235&sr=1-2&keywords=ThE+Quest+for+the+orbital+jet)

Anyway, it was amazing to watch the difficulties of solving so many of these problems. One rationale for building the X-30 was that, like Obamacare, to know how to test it we had to build it. There were no wind tunnels for Mach 15-20, so really except for computer models, the only way they could get real data was to build stuff and test it.

8 posted on 04/19/2015 3:07:04 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: BenLurkin
'Yup, we've gotta stabalise tall and tippy Falcon'

No kidding. It may look all science fictiony and all but that doesn't make it the best way.
9 posted on 04/19/2015 3:12:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: BenLurkin

Calling that a FAIL is ridiculous, makes the author look ignorant.


10 posted on 04/19/2015 3:14:53 PM PDT by GeronL (Clearly Cruz 2016)
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To: cripplecreek

Another company was trying rotor blades, seems like its worth a try


11 posted on 04/19/2015 3:16:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Clearly Cruz 2016)
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To: GeronL

I won’t try to explain the physics of it but it actually makes more sense to me to hang the rocket from its main propulsion source.

I look at it as hanging a baseball bat from the top as opposed to trying to balance it at the bottom. The rotors idea would follow that principle.


12 posted on 04/19/2015 3:22:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: BenLurkin

I think he came incredibly close to pulling it off, and I would bet that he will do it in the next couple of tries.

The transient response of the rocket guidance system looked very good to me. Remarkably good.

The software that controls that rocket has to bring the solutions of five or six differential equations all to zero at exactly the same instant in time. Being off by even a tiny fraction on any one of them results in failure. Even the slightest hang-up in any mechanical part will probably be unrecoverable.


13 posted on 04/19/2015 3:46:46 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: GeronL

Didn’t Edison say something like “I didn’t fail 10000 times, I found 10000 ways that didn’t work”?


14 posted on 04/19/2015 3:53:20 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Darksheare
I’m sure Musk will have no problem sucking, er, up to Obama for more handouts in order to fix it.
A real capitalist would risk his own money with investor backing instead of shoving the risk onto the taxpayers..

Do you honestly think that NASA or some other government agency could do it cheaper, better, or faster than SpaceX can? Even with the federal funding?

15 posted on 04/19/2015 3:58:16 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Steely Tom
The software that controls that rocket has to bring the solutions of five or six differential equations all to zero at exactly the same instant in time.

It is similar to making a good, no-hover landing in a helicopter. You have to zero forward velocity, vertical rate of descent and altitude to coincide with a fixed point on the ground. When you manage to do it smoothly, it is quite satisfying.

Especially in a very large helo with stabilization turned off...

:-)

16 posted on 04/19/2015 3:59:02 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: DoodleDawg

Now where did I say they could?
Care to quote me?
Provide links please.
Sorry if pointing out that Musk is a tax parasite bothers you.
But shoving the risk onto us is not a good thing.
Nor is it capitalist to do so.
Top it off, Musk is an Obama fanboy.


17 posted on 04/19/2015 4:02:37 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: GeronL

It certainly does.

SpaceX has successfully launched rockets and landed them multiple times. The difference now is that they are trying to land at a specific spot. They’re pretty close to sticking it.


18 posted on 04/19/2015 4:02:39 PM PDT by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: cripplecreek
I've watched some videos from SpaceX, including the Dragon2 roll-out. In there he shows one of the capsule's RCS thrusters. They are very small - wouldn't take much space or weight to put them at the top of the booster. That would give the control system some much needed moment to stabilize the vehicle.
19 posted on 04/19/2015 4:11:51 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

More thrust at the top, less thrust at the bottom and maybe land it in a funnel so it settles into its lock down position if they miss by a few feet.


20 posted on 04/19/2015 4:21:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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