Posted on 04/04/2015 8:55:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin
"Hawaiians absolutely believe in science. How that plays out on this mountain is going to be a matter of getting the right set of people in the room to negotiate some sort of compromise that everyone can live with," Apo told reporters.
Stopping construction would be key, he said.
"You can't even get to the discussion point until they stop construction," he said.
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The dispute has pitted Native Hawaiians, who believe the telescope site is sacred because it is where their creation story begins, against scientists, who believe it's an ideal location for one of the world's largest telescopes because of its remote and sheltered position, nestled in the crater of a dormant volcano.
About 300 protesters gathered at the mountain Thursday, and police and state law enforcement arrested 20 people who tried to block a road leading to the summit of Mauna Kea on Hawaii's Big Island. Eleven more were arrested atop the peak, the highest point in the state.
Project opponents question whether land appraisals were done correctly and whether Native Hawaiian groups were consulted, so they have tried to prevent construction of the $1.4 billion Thirty Meter Telescope. Project leaders say they regret the arrests but safe access to the site needs to be preserved.
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I know I don’t have a vote on this but I’m voting here anyway:
I vote for the telescope and for the construction to continue.
These so called leaders are attention whores and jerks. To Hell with them.
Their creation story. We are stopping a science project. A telescope. A quiet telescope, exploring the universe, because a bunch of ignorant savages have a fictional story about a mountain.
Did a big bear chase them to the top? And can you still see the claw marks in the stone?
Lunacy.
Volcano craters are pretty large. The telescope can't have that big a footprint. Does Pele hate telescopes or something? Can't they do their hocus pokus juju crap down the road and still be on "sacred" ground?
30 meters? I’m guessing numerous smaller apertures adding up to 30 meters.
Pele takes her offerings in large denominations. Preferably greater than $50s.
Project opponents question whether land appraisals were done correctly and whether Native Hawaiian groups were consulted, so they have tried to prevent construction of the $1.4 billion Thirty Meter Telescope.
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Let me guess. This is actually a shakedown and the real dispute is over money.
Why is it so sacred, King Kamehameha once took a dump there?
Hawiians have a sense of entitlement that puts your average ghetto welfare queen to shame.
True Hawiian story: In the early 90'a one of the last sugar plantations on the big island was losing money. It asked its workers to take a pay cut to stay open (with management taking a greater pay cut). It opened its books to the workers and anyone else who wanted to look at them to show that indeed they would go out of business without an all around pay cut. The Hawaiians voted overwhelmingly not to take the pay cut. The sugar plantation shut down and they were all out of a job. They cheerfully all went on welfare and for the most part haven't been gainfully employed to this day.
Uh oh! Someone said the "B" word. Here come the activists. Can a community organizer be far behind?
The grass skirt crowd will be defended as simple natives trying to preserve their way of life, while Christians trying to avoid homosexuality are cast as self-righteous bigots.
And climate change deniers are accused of being “anti-science.”
Liberalism: When Lies Collide.
After what they did to Cook they should consider themselves lucky there are any native Hawaiians today.
Hawaii was practically discovered using the stars, the stars are as much of their heritage as hula skirts. You’d think they would be proud to be involved in modern star chasing.
PS You can see the observatories from the ocean and since they “serve mankind”, good for the job market, and don’t overwhelm the landscape I don’t mind them at all.
I don’t think there are any native Hawaiian’s anymore. they are all Asian infused.
Wallowing the the stone age for fun and profit.
If they build the telescope and the volcano suddenly becomes no longer dormant, then the gods will have spoken.
Declaring it a gay telescope should trump any religious objections.
Construction stopped, uh, until the, uh, right “fees” have been paid to the right people.
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