Pat Buchanan sounds off on Iran nuclear negotiations

Fox News ^ | 4/1/2015 | Fox News

[Usagi_yo]

Hope the link works

Video at link.

[Usagi_yo]

I didn't know Pat Buchanan had a stroke.

Pat Buchanan tossed some gems, some pearls along with some bull and chicken excrement.

Highlight for Pat was when he pointed out the Mideast is awash in war but it's mostly them killing each other rather than U.S forces getting killed there.

Lowlight for Pat, was failing to realize that giving Iran a chance at growing into a strong regional influence is a bad thing.

[Aria]

He sounded unhinged,

[nickcarraway]

The man who thinks World War II was entirely the fault of Winston Churchill and U.S. soldiers were evil Nazis?

[thesligoduffyflynns]

hmm... i didn’t know he had a stroke either I have always known him to be anti-semitic. that doesn’ roll well for me

[Usagi_yo]

I don’t think he’s anti or pro semite There is an in between you know. I think he just tries to be too pragmatic.

His days are over though. He’s doddering and I can see some of his rational has slipped away.

[Olog-hai]

There’s no in between.

[thesligoduffyflynns]

No he’s def anti-semite unless all his previous rants were under the influence of Alzheimer Disease but he does have a good points on immigration .

When you wrote the word “doddering” I automatically thought about Bob Dole.

Do you know that old coot is still alive? he was born in 1923- i guess he has major health issues

because you never hear anything more about him even in

political commentary

[Crim]

Falls under:

I dont hate jews......but I hate what jews do.

[Jim from C-Town]

Bob Dole’s major health issue is the fact that he is in his nineties. By definition old age is a health issue.

[Usagi_yo]

Well, I’ll give you that he has no Israeli sentiments, but his opposition is based on the pragmatic approach. He’s definitely not a referee either.

My sympathies lie with Israel, but I’ll watch and read what Pat Buchanan has to say at every opportunity.

[rhinohunter]

I always knew Pat leaned that way, but listening to him tonight he sounds just like RuPaul.

[Olog-hai]

Pragmatists fail; their thoughts are concerned with presumed practicality regardless of morality, and a rejection of proven realities. Seeing evil succeed is what gets pragmatists going.

And he has too much sympathy towards Russia.

[nathanbedford]

As a "pragmatist" Pat Buchanan would be concerned about the answers to some questions:

1) does the United States support of Israel, when advantages are balanced against disadvantages, increase or decrease American national security and further or retard American national interests?

2) what vital national interests of the United States are at stake in Ukraine and do those interests, if there be any, warrant risking war with Russia?

3) which of our wars since 1950 have ended well and have actually improved American national security?

4) does the American network of far-flung military bases and interlocking treaty commitments compelling us to come to the defense of numerous nations around the world enhance or threaten American security?

5) are demographic forces at work at home and abroad far more powerful than our present defense posture can cope with as presently constituted?

6) are we actually squandering our depleting resources with foolhardy foreign commitments when we should be preserving our strength and restoring our economy and our morale?

I submit that the answers to all of these questions are not clear cut, that there are arguments on both sides and there is no "conservative" answer that all conservatives will agree upon. That is because Pat Buchanan is not so much a pragmatist as a paleo conservative and that is a conservative who does not see eye to eye with neoconservatives on foreign or domestic issues. Many conservatives of a libertarian persuasion would seek yet a third foreign policy yet all of these claim the mantle of conservatism or at least often find themselves in bed together.

Only when these sorts of questions are to be settled by unanimous agreement might it be appropriate to start accusing Pat Buchanan of anti-Semitism.

[VRWC For Truth]

Pat has always been anti-Israel.

[Olog-hai]

I don’t see him as a conservative of any stripe. There are moral questions that the pragmatists always leave unanswered. Pragmatists, as I see it, almost lost both world wars for us.

[Usagi_yo]

“and a rejection of proven realities.”
You’re getting carried away. That’s the exact opposite of pragmatism.

“Seeing evil succeed is what gets pragmatists going.”
Going where?

Play poker for a few years. You’ll understand all about pragmatism.

[Usagi_yo]

He was certainly feisty. Hannity should hope he’s that feisty at that age. Hannity gave as much as he took, I didn’t think he was disrespectful at all, after all this was Pat Buchanan and he loves getting in there slinging mud too.

[Olog-hai]

Pragmatists reject faith, and they manipulate history by taking the context of faith out of it—only what they experience and how they personally interpret it is “real” to them, thus reinforcing their personal prejudices.

I have not seen a single instance of pragmatism building the USA up; it looks to me like the beginnings of liberalism couched in pretty arguments based in limited-dimensional viewpoints of events. The poker analogy only reinforces my current viewpoint. I’ll stick with the Founding Fathers, for my part.

[nathanbedford]

what two wars?

[Usagi_yo]

The horse is dead. Catch you next thread.