nothing??? iirc it was never proved he was there
Posted on 03/19/2015 3:48:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Much about his trip—weeks before the assassination—remains unexamined.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/jfk-assassination-lee-harvey-oswald-mexico-116195.html#ixzz3Uy93moex
Whhat if the answers to the many, persistent questions surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy lie not in Dallas or Washington, D.C., but in the streets of a foreign capital that most Americans have never associated with the president’s murder? Mexico City.
Only hours after shots rang out in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, U.S. Ambassador Thomas C. Mann told colleagues in the American embassy in Mexico that he was certain Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone in killing JFK.
Oswald had visited Mexico City several weeks earlier, apparently to obtain a visa that would allow the self-proclaimed Marxist to defect to Cuba, and Mann, a veteran diplomat, suspected that a plot to kill Kennedy had been hatched on Mexican soil, during Oswald’s encounters there with Cuban diplomats and Mexicans who supported Fidel Castro’s revolution. How did Mann know about those meetings? It turned out the CIA had Oswald under surveillance in the Mexican capital after he had showed up at both the Cuban and Soviet embassies there. Back at the State Department, however, a baffled Mann hit a brick wall. No one in Washington seemed interested in his suspicions, he would later complain to colleagues. And within days of the assassination, the ambassador received an astonishing top-secret message directly from Secretary of State Dean Rusk. According to Mann’s testimony years later to congressional investigators, Rusk ordered the embassy to shut down any investigation in Mexico that might “confirm or refute rumors of Cuban involvement in the assassination.” No reason was given for the order, the ambassador said.
Mann told the congressional investigators that he was under the impression that the same “incredible” shut-down order had been given by the CIA to the spy agency’s station chief in Mexico, Winston Scott. In memoirs quietly declassified in the 1990s, after his death, Scott confirmed that he, too, suspected that Oswald was an “agent” of a foreign power who may have been part of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy (though Scott did not suggest that the CIA’s investigation was shut down).
What happened in Mexico City in the weeks before JFK’s murder? It is clear from government files declassified in recent decades that Oswald’s six-day trip to Mexico was never adequately investigated by the CIA, the FBI and the State Department—and, as a result, by the Warren Commission, the panel named by President Lyndon Johnson to investigate the assassination. The question has been raised anew in recent weeks by a surprising source—the Warren Commission’s chief conspiracy hunter. And in fact, lots of evidence has accumulated over the years to suggest that historians, journalists and JFK buffs who are still trying to piece together clues about the president’s murder—whether from the memories of still-living witnesses or in the new tranche of assassination-related documents the National Archives is set to release in two years—would be wise to look to Mexico City.
In the half-century since the commission named for Chief Justice Earl Warren concluded that Oswald was the sole gunman in Dallas and that there was no evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic, it is startling to discover how many credible government officials—beginning with Ambassador Mann and CIA station chief Scott—have suggested that evidence was missed in Mexico that could rewrite the history of the assassination. The list includes the late former FBI Director Clarence Kelley and former FBI Assistant Director William Sullivan, as well as David Belin, a former staff lawyer on the Warren Commission.
Last month, another commission staffer joined their ranks: David Slawson, a retired University of Southern California law professor who, 51 years ago, was the commission’s chief investigator searching for evidence that might have pointed to a foreign conspiracy in JFK’s murder. In interviews for a new edition of my 2013 history of the assassination, Slawson said he is now convinced the commission was the victim of a “massive cover-up” by the CIA and other agencies to hide evidence that might have identified people in Mexico City who knew and encouraged Oswald to carry out his threat when he returned to the United States.
Declassified government records back up Slawson’s suspicion of how much information was withheld in 1964, when senior officials at both the CIA and the FBI assured the commission that there was no evidence in Mexico—or anywhere else—to suggest that Oswald was anything other than a delusional lone wolf. In sworn testimony to the commission, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover insisted that “there was nothing up to the time of the assassination that gave any indication that this man was a dangerous character who might do harm to the president.”
The records declassified decades later tell a very different story, and show just how much evidence about Oswald’s Mexico trip —including CIA tape recordings of wiretaps of Oswald’s phone calls in Mexico—never reached the commission. Although the spy agency assured the commission in 1964 that there were no surveillance photos of Oswald in Mexico, CIA Station Chief Scott, in his memoirs, strongly suggested that there were photos, and other CIA officials later told congressional investigators in the 1970s that they recalled seeing the pictures. CIA and FBI records, meanwhile, show that the agencies never tried to track down or interview key witnesses who had encountered Oswald in Mexico.
Slawson is also convinced that someone blocked him from seeing a top-secret June 1964 letter from Hoover to the commission in which Hoover revealed that Oswald may have openly boasted about his plans—“I’m going to kill Kennedy”—while in Mexico, apparently at the Cuban embassy. Slawson believes the CIA was desperate to shut down any investigation in Mexico City out of fear the Warren Commission might stumble onto evidence of the spy agency’s long-running schemes to murder Fidel Castro. (Mexico City had been a staging area for some of the plots.) Slawson is careful to note that he is not suggesting any sort of far-flung, carefully laid-out conspiracy. For one thing, he notes, Oswald did not get the job he held at the time of the assassination, at the Texas School Book Depository, which was on the president’s motorcade route, until after he had returned to Texas from Mexico in early October 1963; the route itself was not announced until days before JFK’s arrival in Dallas.
eating barbecued iguana.
The Samba?
Everybody knows he was a lone wolf! Snort))))))))
(Not)
Tequila shooters.
Is it just me - or are the DemocRATS lousy at investigating anything or anybody?
I’ve never seen such a bunch of bungling idiots in my life. And, now it’s getting worse, with the current bunch in power.
If Politico wanted to do some more relevant research, they'd be digging for answers about Nidal Hasan, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, and countless other government shielded actions...
Currently reading "The Third Bullet" by Stephen Hunter, a fictional version of what might have gone down. Fairly plausible so far, a third of the way through maybe.
I think he was found to have been drunk everynight at Rosa’s Cantina, with some dark eyed beauty by name of Felina.
All a reasonable man can say 52 years after the event is that the government report is apparently not true. How it's not true, or what is true, i.e., who killed Kennedy, is not available.
Kennedy is now a martyred hero. IMNVHO, his Presidency does not justify this.
The better question is "Was Oswald in Mexico City?"Who was impersonating Oswald in the Saturday call?
Why did CIA twice order DFS to arrest Sylvia Duran?
What was Barry Soetero doing in Pakistan in 1981?
The latter has been sanitized by John Brennan dba Analysis Corp the current DCI and a likely convert--
--who has declared jihad a legitimate religious tenet.
Shenon is doing a Shiny Things for Baby while the lame duck crypto-Islamist plots the mother of all false flag attacks on CONUS--
--because the Twelfth Imam can play golf while the world burns.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven but I believe that Oswald did act alone.
Now it would not surprise me if he was part of a larger group, maybe Cubans, maybe the mafia.
The one thing I think the media has done a poor job on is Jack Ruby. I once knew a guy who knew Ruby very well. The one thing he was sure of was that Ruby was much heavier into organized crime than has been admitted.
Still after all is said and done, I think Oswald acted alone.
nothing??? iirc it was never proved he was there
Plenty of witnesses saw him (if you want to take their word. At the Cuban embassy, he even applied for a passport In Mexico. Now, most of the witnesses say it was him, there is perhaps one who could not say he was positive it was him.
http://www.blather.net/oswald%20visa%20application%20cuba%20400%20wide.jpg <-— Application from the Cuban embassy.
Photo taken in Mexico.
Also, some remember talking to him on the bus.
Lots of people have came out and told what happened. It gets swept under the rug because Lyndon Johnson is the “Great Society” hero. You can’t have one of the greatest Democrat liberal presidents being known as a conspirator to murder the symbol of Democrat Camelot.
CIA Deputy Director Richard Helms signed an affidavit that the covert photo of "Saul" were taken Oct. 4, 1963 outside of the Russian Embassy. The photo was intro'd in the Warren Commission as Exhibit #237. It was relevant to the Commission because, per McDonald:
"On the morning of November 22, 1963, before the assassination, a copy of that picture was received by the FBI in Dallas, Texas. The picture was identified as possibly being Lee Harvey Oswald. The FBI agents in Dallas knew Lee Harvey Oswald and they knew that the photograph forwarded them was not a picture of Oswald. At the time this error in identity did not seem important. However, things changed radically after the killing of President Kennedy and the apprehension of Oswald for that crime." (McDonald, as told to Geoffrey Bocca, Appointment in Dallas: The Final Solution to the Assassination of JFK, 1975, p. 54)
The book references "secret FBI reports" where it appeared that three pictures of this "mystery man were shown to a Mexican national, Mr. Pedro Gutierrez Valencia. They were shown to him hoping that he could identify the man in the picture. He could not...The unidentified man in the photograph became important as a possible co-conspirator of Oswald..." (p. 56)
The book publishes the cropped pictures of "Saul" (pp. 53, 55, 57).
See: "Saul" (Warning: This also includes graphic autopsy photos of President Kennedy)
Two FBI photos are here: "Saul" in Mexico City
The facial features are similar to the "Identi-Kit" Model II composite of "Saul" compiled by Hugh McDonald based upon his memory of the 1972 meeting with him as the Westbury Hotel in London. (p. 59 of the book)
McDonald claimed that this 1972 "contact" told him Oswald fired 3 shots; himself, 2. And that he was in a position to see Oswald at his position...and was ready for some law enforcement agent to return fire toward Oswald, at which point he was prepared to take out Oswald himself.
From the details, McDonald claims the other assassin fired from a second floor window of the County Records Building. [The link above pinpoints it as a corner room]
I've heard other plausible accounts of an additional shooter from the picket fence behind the grassy knoll...and even one account of a shooter being in a ground-level/below ground-level storm drain.
(It wouldn't surprise me, either, if one hired assassin wasn't told about another on the scene)
He was making a run for the border to Taco Bell!
mY GESS HE WENT TOGET HELP FOR HIS ASSIANATION PLAN. tHEY THOUGHT HE WAS A NUT AND SAID SOMETHING LIKE YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD” LAUGHED HIM OFF AND FORGOT ABOUT IT. DAMN THE MORON WHO UT THE CAP LOCKSKEY NExT TO THE A KEY. I think old Lee acted alone.
If he was told this, why didn't he arrest him on the spot?
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