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An Honest Question, regarding my ongoing debate with a Family Member. (vanity)
Vanity | 3/15/2015 | Me

Posted on 03/15/2015 11:04:54 AM PDT by Zeneta

At the end of the day, the debate comes down to "how committed" are those that claim to stand for Liberty and our Constitution.


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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift.....that is why it is called ‘Present”. ;-)


Well.

You’re no help.


41 posted on 03/15/2015 12:09:22 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Post 18 was a nasty, bitter diatribe against freerepublic, no wonder that it also seems that you carry some personal grudge.


42 posted on 03/15/2015 12:19:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise; ansel12

I have tangled with you before, ansel12. I find it particularly amusing that I agreed with you and you chose to attack me. BTW, you lost the first round, too! LOL


I love tangling with Ansell.

His personal attacks just make things more insightful.

I agree with him, and you, and my Step father, and I understand the stakes at hand.

My question remains.

Who is going to stop this ?

Am I so naive to think that there are enough conservatives willing to take to the streets and take a stand?

My Step father doesn’t believe there are.

I believe otherwise.


43 posted on 03/15/2015 12:22:27 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Zeneta

The 2016 election will take place, Obama is not going to do away with the presidential election, nor will he run for a 3rd term for the democrat party (or any party).


44 posted on 03/15/2015 12:23:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

I don’t buy the idea of a third run at Presidency. I lean more towards an economic collapse with large riots in every city, followed by Marshal Law just before the elections, which will be postponed and then cancelled. Soros has experience rattling markets and currencies.


45 posted on 03/15/2015 12:25:09 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: muir_redwoods

Thanks. Once again the point has to be made that it is up to the states to thwart tyranny.


46 posted on 03/15/2015 12:27:33 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Zeneta

“You’re no help.”

I hope that that was said lightheartedly because it did make me smile.

I am hopeful that people would rise up and stop Obemba then kill every other communist-totalitarian in this country but I cannot see into the future. He has gotten away with so much already and nothing/no one/no group or party has stopped him. If the damage that he has already done did not make people ‘rise up’ then I have doubts that anything would stop him. If people would ‘rise up’ then I would be right there with them. However, how long would I last? I did my best to answer your question. ;-)


47 posted on 03/15/2015 12:28:32 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: ansel12

The 2016 election will take place, Obama is not going to do away with the presidential election, nor will he run for a 3rd term for the democrat party (or any party).


This is my position as well.

The point of my post is that there are “Other” (well considered others) that think 0bama will attempt a 3rd term.

Their arguments are not without merit.

Our arguments seem to rest with hope.


48 posted on 03/15/2015 12:29:52 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: ansel12

“Post 18 was a nasty, bitter diatribe against freerepublic”

Everyone has an opinion. ;-)

Grudge? LOL

I have read many of your posts. You are usually counter to everyone else and seem to enjoy stirring up trouble. ;-)


49 posted on 03/15/2015 12:32:01 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: Zeneta

Their bizarre theories and conspiracies are without merit, you can’t take all the nutcases seriously, and that goes for your stepfather.

My guess is that your step father has other conspiracies and whack theories as well, correct?


50 posted on 03/15/2015 12:33:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Zeneta

I am convinced your step father is correct, and have been arguing the same points for a long time.

When we reflect on the Founding Fathers, consider the four things they were pledged to:

1. Their lives - they were willing to stand up to tyranny and if necessary die as martyrs. How many of our cohort are literally willing to die for the the cause of liberty?

2. Their fortunes — we cannot even find any similar “leaders” of financial means willing to seriously risk anything. The rhetorical “leaders” of the liberty movement rarely present the brutal truth as it would risk their ratings and advertising income (Mark Levin and a handful of local talkers like Steve Deace and Jim Garrison probably being the exception). And our political “leaders?” They will not even risk a single point in leftist opinion polls or incur a harsh word from the leftist establishment press (but I repeat myself) in order to do the right thing.

3. Their sacred honor — seriously, do we have even a handful of “leaders” with any sense of honor? Not from where I sit. there are only a half dozen or so with access to mass information organs who are on our side when push comes to shove.

4. The fourth commitment by the Founders was the willingness to, if necessary, kill their fellow British subjects in order to achieve liberty. How many of us are willing to literally kill our dependent/collectivist neighbors if necessary to stop Obama?

It is possibly true that the legion of patriots may be sizable, perhaps even adequate to the task of stopping fascist tyranny. But the disparate threads of the movement need to be pulled together into a cogent and irresistible whole in order to prevail. Given the deafening silence in the face of the statist juggernaut over the past 6, 10, 2o years, I am not optimistic about such a development.


51 posted on 03/15/2015 12:34:46 PM PDT by crusher (GREEN: Globaloney for the Gullible)
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To: Zeneta

The sad thing is that he will not do something a blatant as run for a third term. The reality is we will have someone else in the office and that person will continue the same crap to one degree or another.

It is as it was in Rome at the fall of the Republic. The Empire began when Augustus continued to be the “first citizen”, even when he was not Counsel for the yearly term. The forms and offices of the republic were preserved but subverted.


52 posted on 03/15/2015 12:35:43 PM PDT by KC Burke (Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
You have to consider that many, if not most, FReepers are old, decrepit and simply can no longer be as active as a 20-year-old in his prime.
Some, despite their posts of outright rebellion, are at the point of being too old to care much about what is going to happen tomorrow and do not even know if they are going to be on this Earth tomorrow. I, for example, am 71-years old with multiple health issues

You were 68 when you joined FR, and like I said, you seem to think that FR is like you, old and cynical, and indifferent.

53 posted on 03/15/2015 12:36:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Zeneta

“I believe otherwise.”

I am only hopeful that there are enough ‘others’ who will be willing to take to the streets. ;-)


54 posted on 03/15/2015 12:37:11 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: Zeneta
His point is that 0bama has the media.

The media is NOT that impressed with Obama...Yes, the media is liberal but they're not criminals.

Not saying Obama hasn't 'groomed' some lone wolf journalists/communists - Obama does have a tendency to stand with criminals - even glorify criminals... But 98% to 99% of American journalists are loyal Americans. Maybe more...

The other thing is the United States is a country of laws... white people aren't going to 'flood the streets'... that's the black and brown way. We're not going to hold hands and sing either... or take to wearing $500 sneakers. Or stealing them.

Come on...

Many years ago a friend who lived on the South Side of Chicago came up with a plan: we would all vote for Goldwater and then when Goldwater won there would be a revolution... I remember looking at her and realizing all my socialist friends were nuts... not in touch with American... not in touch with reality.

55 posted on 03/15/2015 12:38:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (Gore: Punish those who buck 'accepted science' as was done to Galileo Galilei -freeper Darksheare)
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To: ansel12

My guess is that your step father has other conspiracies and whack theories as well, correct?


You and I would think so, but actually NO.

I’m well aware of “retired Military” types that go off into, well, insanity.

He’s not that guy.


56 posted on 03/15/2015 12:38:33 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: smokingfrog
...become the UN Secretary

He'd have to fall back on his foreign citizenship. No citizen of a permanent Security Council member is eligible.

57 posted on 03/15/2015 12:41:37 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Zeneta

What did he have say during the Ebola scare?


58 posted on 03/15/2015 12:43:11 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: crusher

I pray that you are wrong, but I don’t find enough evidence for the contrary.


59 posted on 03/15/2015 12:44:48 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Zeneta
American presidents would rather enjoy all the perks they have coming to them in retirement, than hang around until they're thrown out of office by force.

Obama's going to love the cushy life of an ex-President. Golf, $400,000 speaking fees -- what's not to love? And why throw that all away?

60 posted on 03/15/2015 12:49:18 PM PDT by x
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