Biologist Drake helps answer key question in canine history [Dog Domestication]

Skidmore College ^ | February 5, 2015 | press release (via Archaeology)

[SunkenCiv]

The Goyet Fossil from the Paleolithic era that Drake and Coquerelle determined is actually a wolf.

[ansel12]

Dogs were smart enough to recognize a superior species that could utilize them and incorporate them into their superior society and more predictable and organized living conditions.

Cats are like the charming hitchhiker guy who was going to spend a few nights on your couch, and 3 months later you watch him going to your refrigerator and realize, what the heck? Does he live here now?

[bunkerhill7]

Two big wolves come into my front yard once in a while to eat the raccoon food. They just stand there and growl until I throw them some meat. I did come about 6 feet away from them once. They just stood there and growled til I brought them some meat. They didn`t bother the raccoons neither coz they knew I had the best meat.

If they are around, the coydogs nor mountain lions are nowhere to be heard nor seen.

I think when early man/woman hunted game, the wolf pack followed for scraps coz it was easier than hunting. The pack in return guarded them at night from the lions cos a wolf pack ain`t one bit afraid of a fire nor lions at night.

[Jonty30]

They should be able to measure the differences in RNA between wolves and dogs to get some idea.

[CyberSpartacus]

These folks are ignoramuses. From the moment we made fire there have been pupies to sit beside us. That means from the time it began till. It ends.

[ansel12]

I wouldn’t be surprised, since the dog/human relationship seems so natural and almost predetermined or predictable.

During the height of the feminist movement of the 70s and 80s, I used to say that God made dogs for us, to make up for making women.

Meaning how loyal, honest and true, dogs are.

[BerryDingle]

I used to say that God made dogs for us, to make up for making women.

True. And God made woman because sheep can't cook.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Doggie ping!

I’ve known some dogs that weren’t domesticated yet!

[Tupelo]

“I’ve known some dogs that weren’t domesticated yet!”

I have also known some women that were a long way from domesticated.

[Dr. Sivana]

Cats are like the charming hitchhiker guy who was going to spend a few nights on your couch, and 3 months later you watch him going to your refrigerator and realize, what the heck? Does he live here now?

Depends on the cat. One of ours (the late Jean-Marie) took over. He managed to get us to rearrange furniture, sleep on the outer edges of the bed, get let in at 4:30AM in time for breakfast and the 10 minutes of petting. At one point he was banished from the bedroom;he waited for us to fall asleep, was able to get the bedroom door open, and get this . . . CLOSE it with a head butt behind him. Then he camped out on the bed at the foot. It took me a month to catch him in the act.

He could also hear and recognize a slant six engine at 3000 feet, jumped into the car's open window to greet daddy (me), and as a kitten took an entire McDonald's cheeseburger out of my hand and ate the whole thing (bun, pickle, onions) WITHOUT taking it apart. WHEN I came back from my honeymoon, he jumped in my arms and licked my face. So, we were even. A once in a lifetime cat.

[SunkenCiv]

A good Digest ping as well.

[WorkingClassFilth]

I’ve got a new pup and he still isn’t domesticated.

[Joe 6-pack]

WOOOF!

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[SunkenCiv]

They’d better wear some heavy clothes.

[SunkenCiv]

Opinion: We Didn’t Domesticate Dogs. They Domesticated Us.
National Geographic News | March 3, 2013 | Brian Hare and Vanessa Woods
Posted on 03/03/2013 4:02:35 PM PST by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2993134/posts

[SunkenCiv]

No, No, Bad Dog: Dogs in the Bible
Israelite attitudes toward dogs
Ellen White
01/26/2015
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/hebrew-bible/dogs-in-the-bible/

[lormand]

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[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

I suspect the movement towards domestication was a gradual process. In the wild, a large animal carcass is often consumed by several species, in turn. Typically, the predators get first pick, followed by several kinds of scavenger.

Once humans were done with a carcass, wild canines who had been waiting on the sidelines would take over. Unlike big cats that would attack the humans, the canines were patient, and realized if they just waited, they could get theirs without having to fight for it.

However, humans learned a trick, perhaps from watching the wild canines, that they could drive a herd of animals to fall off a cliff, and have enough meat to dry it over a fire and haul it a good distance to their permanent camp.

And this abundance was such that the canines could join right in and not have to wait.

In modern times, a Russian experiment with domesticating silver foxes worked very rapidly, in just a few generations, turning these foxes in effect, into dogs.

So when they finally got the chance to domesticate, wild canines did so rapidly.

[Varda]

This finding is based on a false premise, that early dogs have to be phenotypically different than wolves. Dogs are wolves in the first place. There is no reason to assume there should be physical changes unless the dogs method of living changed. Once they associated with humans that wouldn't happen until humans became primarily settlement dwellers and not hunter gatherers.

This is a classic case of a theory not being dead until all it's proponents kick the bucket.

[Salamander]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXx-OHg3mvk&src_vid=921YhPq1vqI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_18007