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My daughter brought up joining the Air Force again
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Posted on 01/19/2015 11:04:04 PM PST by MacMattico

A while back I brought up that my daughter had mentioned she was researching and thinking about joining the military. About 80% of the people that responded said "not in this environment". Which I completely understand. She brought it up again tonight. I asked her why. She is a very intelligent girl and would probably get in to many colleges with scholarship money. Before when she brought it up, she didn't say why, just that she was looking. Today was different. She told me how much of her high school has turned anti-military and talk about today's soldiers and marines as killers. I had noticed she had not been hanging out with a few close friends and it's because they had a huge argument about the military and guns. Our family has had many Marines over the years (all men) and she has been taught about guns and fired many. She said it was personal in that she feels her family is being put down as well when the military is. Her closes ally in school is a wonderful social studies teacher who is obviously conservative which shocked the class. She said she knows it's only going to get worse in a liberal college environment. All the talk in school she says is about "service" which means "community organizing", "voter drives" and the annual "sit in a cardboard box over night eating pizza pretending you understand the homeless". She said service to the country is never discussed, and that's the type of service she's interested in. In class they were asked who was Patriotic. She and a few boys raised their hands. They were laughed at and told how imperialistic and warmongering they were. My daughter says she really wants to make a difference and serve where it counts.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: airforce; military; teenager; women
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To: PieterCasparzen

First, be EXTRA proud of you daughter who has obviously been raised right. Explaining her school environment and they type of teachers and fellow students tells you what is wrong with this country. Please to hear she isn’t buying into their crap. She will do well.

“I would suggest college FIRST, with ROTC, then a commissioned future in the Air Force”. A fine recommendation.


41 posted on 01/20/2015 4:08:39 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: MasterGunner01

Since the OP indicated her daughter has a strong inclination toward the USAF, perhaps sending her to the AFROTC website would be more prudent:

http://www.afrotc.com/program-requirements

Your response was more like the USMC PLC:

http://www.marines.com/becoming-a-marine/commissioning-programs/four-year-colleges/platoon-leaders-class?nav=LP1


42 posted on 01/20/2015 4:15:04 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45
In general, all college ROTC programs operate the same no matter the service selected; that is, Army, Navy, Marines, or Air Force. The first two years (freshman and sophomore) plus summer training are voluntary. Then, the cadet must decide whether he or she wants to commit to the summer training and junior and senior years. This requires that they must enlist and agree to a six year obligation after graduation. How that six year obligation breaks down generally depends on the length of in-service schooling after commissioning.

For example, a Navy ROTC graduate that selects the nuclear power field can expect to do a full six years on active duty because the school is 1-1/2 years long. A nuclear power school student obligates to a full six years on active duty. (This may be extended if the student applies for submarine duty.)

The ROTC programs (all services) will present cadets with many challenges and I highly recommend them to a high school graduate. The first two years and summer training will give the cadet at taste of whether they want a service career. If the cadet decides it is what they want to do, then they commit to the last two years a summer training and enlistment after commissioning. That the service picks up the total cost of the cadet's room, board, books, and tuition for the junior and senior years is a definite incentive.

43 posted on 01/20/2015 4:44:36 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01
It should be noted that all the services can change the requirements for their program at the college level. The programs and lengths of training I cited apply to both the US Army and US Navy (and Marine Corps). The USAF appears to have some differences, but generally follows the other services. Again, the total obligation is for six years on graduation and commissioning. Whether the six years is spent all on active duty or has some reserve duty involved depends upon the kind and length of the in-service schooling the student gets after commissioning.
44 posted on 01/20/2015 4:53:41 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Secret Agent Man

((, or take orders she morally objects to, in addition they are crushing out real Christians there now, so NO WAY is this a viable option anymore.))

So your answer to this problem is for Patrriots and Christians to run away? Following this advice what wpuld the American military look like 20 years from now? I served PROUDLY in the USAF during the Vietnam War. Though I never did a tour in Nam I was still shown a lot of disrespect from many citizens here at home. But I had the respect of family and my fellow Airmen. It was well worth it.


45 posted on 01/20/2015 4:56:00 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: MacMattico

Thank You for raising an American Hero. Should your Daughter enter the Air Force, many of the posts have excellent advice. I wish your Daughter ‘Good Luck’ in all her endeavors.


46 posted on 01/20/2015 5:02:00 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Gamecock

“No boot camp.”

No, it’s not called “boot camp” but ROTC programs do an initial screening of freshman cadets in the summer between graduation from high school and starting freshman year at college. A lot of the training is physical in nature, plus military basics of courtesies and other knowledge. I don’t know if the USAF does this, but the Army and Navy both do.


47 posted on 01/20/2015 5:02:36 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: MacMattico

A lot can happen between now and HS graduation. She may change her mind. My father is retired air force and of me and my six siblings, five of us joined the military. I was the only one to stay until retirement. If I had to do it all over again I would have stayed even longer. One of the main reasons I retired was that I could not stand having o
obama as a “commander” in chief.

Liberalism is alive in the military and the reason I didn’t get out during the Clintonista reign was that I figured I could fight it better from within.

I suggest you continue as you have done with your daughter. The military is still a proud career. It sounds like she will make the right decision for her.

SEMPER FI!


48 posted on 01/20/2015 5:07:20 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Do you know who Barry Soetoro is?)
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To: MasterGunner01
One other thing: don't forget the United States Coast Guard. The USCG is a small service with a glorious history. The Coast Guard Academy produces superlative officers that are well-rounded in their training and they are very professional and competent. USCG officers may be stationed ashore or afloat. It is imperative that the applicant be aware of the different kinds of jobs there are and where their interests lie.
49 posted on 01/20/2015 5:10:36 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: MacMattico

As a former member of the U.S.Air Force I would have highly reccomended as a career choice since it is a highly technical organization.

On the other hand I would do everything in my power to convince a perspective applicant to delay joining until the present dictator in chief leaves office and his policies are overturned.

Right now I consider it to dangerous to join since Obama has has NO respect for the military.After all,According to him you would serve him.Not the constitution or the people of the United States.


50 posted on 01/20/2015 5:18:07 AM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: MacMattico

Wow you must be proud of her. But I can understand your concerns. Tell her the anti-military viewpoints are nothing new but were around when I was that age. They say with age comes wisdom but she sounds way ahead of her peers.


51 posted on 01/20/2015 5:19:53 AM PST by McGruff (We have met the enemy and they are our own party.)
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To: MacMattico
The obvious choice is Texas A&M.
Military roots and still very active. The Memorial Student Center has a hall where all of the Aggie Medal of Honor recipients are honored. Their deeds are written there.
The statue of Lawrence Sullivan Ross (Sully) is in front of the old Administration Building where the inscription begins "Soldier, statesman, knightly gentleman...". Several places around campus, mostly in the Corps of Cadets quadrangle hang banners that simply state "Honor".
My in-laws who attended the Aggie/Florida Gator game in 2012 were stunned by how polite and gentlemanly everyone was. Old men gave up their seats on the shuttle bus so my sister-in-law could have a seat. That is a common occurrence. Old fashioned respect for others, especially women, are instilled into students by leading by example.
As others have stated, your daughter should attend college and join ROTC. A&M supplies more officers to the armed services than any other university outside of the service academies.
It is also a top-tier research university in engineering, science, and medicine. It also has a top-tier business school.

I'm obviously very proud to be an Aggie and all that stands for. You should visit the campus in College Station, Texas and President HW Bush Presidential Library. Contact me offline if I can be of service to you.
52 posted on 01/20/2015 5:19:53 AM PST by TxAg1981
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To: puppypusher

Not only the service academies but look at Texas A&M or VA Tech. They both have Corps of Cadets and are unique opportunities.

Air Force is tough right now, I hear they bounce people out of ROTC and offer golden handshakes at Colorado because of budget cuts.

But if she can make it, great, the military is a great place to be...one son in, another going.


53 posted on 01/20/2015 5:23:58 AM PST by Geoffrey
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To: TxAg1981

You beat me by a heartbeat....great school.


54 posted on 01/20/2015 5:25:21 AM PST by Geoffrey
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To: Geoffrey

Actually, I was told VA Tech provides more officers than Texas A&M, probably how you define it.


55 posted on 01/20/2015 5:26:55 AM PST by Geoffrey
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To: MacMattico

Let her make her own decision and support her in whatever she does. If she makes a mistake it will be her mistake and she will learn from it. Even if she does not like the AF spending a couple of years in uniform will do her no harm.


56 posted on 01/20/2015 5:31:14 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: MacMattico

She’ll do much better in the military and when she gets out of the military, with a college degree.

Hopefully, in four years, the military will no longer be Obama’s American self hating machine. She does not have to go to a liberal college. I wouldn’t, if I were her. Could she get into one of the military academies?

I don’t blame her for wanting to escape liberalism, but liberalism is alive and well in the military right now which is why the soldiers are so unhappy.

God bless her and you.


57 posted on 01/20/2015 5:40:52 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: PieterCasparzen

“It would appear that we are on the way towards more chastening by God to purge the evil from us and bring us back closer to God. The process is very painful for unbelievers, but true believers God cares for.”

This Nation appears to be following the path similar to the Israeli people of the old Testament. Let’s hope God gives us as many chances as he did them.


58 posted on 01/20/2015 5:48:01 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: MasterGunner01
The Army doesn't. The first two years if ROTC gives credit for Basic. If you come into ROTC after your Sophomore year you attend Leader Training Course at Fort Knox. (Used to be called ROTC Basic)

Usually between one's junior and Senior year Cadets attend Leader Development and Assessment Course which used to be called ROTC Advanced Camp.

Source. I also just contacted a battle buddy who just finished an assignment as a Professor of Military Science and he concurred with position.

They only exception is if someone is enrolling in a two year college, like North Georgia, and this is the underwhelming minority of Cadets.

59 posted on 01/20/2015 5:59:10 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: donna

Is she willing to fight the battles Obama wants to fight?

***********

Obama won’t be President in mid 2016. Now some of his
initiatives may still be in place.


60 posted on 01/20/2015 6:12:10 AM PST by deport
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