Posted on 01/17/2015 7:24:31 AM PST by the scotsman
'A sordid tale of lesbian sex, murder and seduction in a Catholic convent in 19th-century Rome has been discovered in a secret Vatican archive.
The Sant'Ambrogio scandal involves a beautiful young sister who convinced the nuns she was experiencing visions and visits from heaven - then made them engage in rampant sexual activity.
Herbert Wolf, a leading scholar of the Catholic Church, learned of the Sant'Ambrogio scandal when he became one of the first allowed into the archives of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
The naughty nun also entered into an erotic relationship with a theologian on the pretense he was possessed, and is thought to have murdered three other sisters.
But when a German princess fled the convent in disgust, a sex scandal hidden behind a habit for many years was unveiled.
Wolf, a professor of ecclesiastical history at University of Muenster, Germany, made the discovery and has retold it in his book The Nuns of Sant'Ambrogio.
Written in German, the controversial never-told-before tale has been translated into English for the first time.'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
I thought you had chickens to do that, for you.
If feeling down in the dumps -- don't eat the worms.
Wear sackcloth (and ashes) instead.
'Cuz if you eat the worms, that will equate to just that much more 'scratch' you will have to buy for the chickens.
Think about it.
I trust you will make the right decision in this.
Yes it does, or they would have been going against God's word.
Mary didn't seem the type to do that, neither did Joseph.
I certainly hope they had access to the Song of Solomon!
I have a great respect for Mary and her willingness to follow God's teachings available to her during her time.
Therefore I am under the impression she was a good obedient wife to Joseph.
Well I guess if it is okay for the priests to mess with little boys, it is okay for these women to do their own thing, huh? When I was still working, I worked for a large Seattle law firm that was hired by the Seattle Catholic church to represent some priests accused of these acts. A sordid affair is all I can say. I was disgusted by what I read.
That professional anti-Catholics possess such energy to generate scabrous material that might reflect badly on one Catholic institution or another only shows that Protestantism as a theological system is nearing its shameful collapse.
I am sure you will like it. I had posted links before to the few legal to watch (as far as I know) Christian vids I had found.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3209564/posts?page=61#61
Only shows that Catholicism is a theological system that is nearing its shameful collapse.
Very similar to what the Pharisees said about Jesus and His followers.
So they got together with the government and had Him beaten and crucified.
Keep following in those Pharisitical footsteps if that is what floats yer boat.
Protestantism is not going to collapse because of one scandal with a TV preacher or another. It is going to collapse because it is not true to the Holy Scripture and consequently the Holy Ghost is not leading your theological experiment.
whatever
Well, I never have because I don’t go on Protestant threads. I could care less what they think and believe and don’t want to waste my time. As opposed to you people who spend your entire lives on Catholic threads, bashing our beliefs.
You may confuse your own opinions as being facts, but I'm not stupid enough to agree with you, there. :^')
You yourself do that near daily on these pages. Pretty much whenever venturing forth from behind the ye olde cut-'n-paste Caucus confines.
Your own words, your expressed opinions in regards to those "Protestants" (which seem to live 'rent free' in your mind) -- are most often either groundless assertion -- or assertions stretched from slim grounds, to then encompass all.
Yet what I was speaking towards were actual facts of the issues, which if properly framed -- would not, in end result be something which would all that badly;
The septic tank as shown on the old map I was referring to --- may not have been used at all. There could have been yet another. Yet if it was used previously -- but then cleaned out -- disused for a time -- possibly fresh earth put in as a bottom -- then use of that as burial crypt would be not much of a scandal.
There was no money for burials (although earliest Tuam records do indicate a few coffins were purchased --- in the 1930's)...and there was in fact a graveyard, sort-of right across the road, perpendicularly to the Northwest of the facility, in which none of the almost 800 "babies" on Corliss's list were buried within, or any other cemetery for miles around.
The map showing "sewage tank" indicating that being at or near the location which many bones were indeed found --- is what led to the headlines which exaggerated the situation, by adding the word "dumped" which Corliss herself did not say. Yet she did mention the strong possibility that the structure had been a septic tank at one time.
One of the earliest articles published May 27 http://www.thejournal.ie/tuam-mass-grave-babies-1488267-May2014/ among other considerations, had the following; After the home was closed in the 1960s, two boys were playing close to the site when they discovered partially broken concrete slabs covering a hollow – a disused septic tank, which had been in use prior to the 1920s when the building was a workhouse but then emptied. ‘Filled with bones’ The boys broke the concrete and discovered a hole “filled to the brim with bones”. A housing estate was build where the home used to be, and a local couple had been tending to the graveyard plot for 35 years, trimming the grass and planting flowers. The husband, Padraic, had built a small grotto as well. The site was previously known to be a graveyard, locally suspected to be one for unbaptised babies or famine victims, but it was thought that a small number of children were interred there.
As far as the "unbaptised babies" portion goes...though there are reasons to possibly not include that portion as being actually true as for the "Tuam babies"--- the article and commentary was FIRST ---- speaking of "babies" thought to have died back in the 19th century "work house" days, not babies born at the time the nuns were in charge of things, but then later came to be in the minds of some to have that "unbaptized" concept applied to the babies born at the unwed mothers facility.
The arguments relied upon to fully dispel the "unbaptized" concept from applying to the Tuam babies ---- still leaves something to be desired, for the arguments rely upon a form of statistical averaging of numbers baptized from among many "mother and baby homes" (homes for unwed mothers) other than Tuam alone, with a decided lack of direct verification of numbers (and names of those) baptized at Tuam itself, though there can or could be reasonable enough explanations for that sort of lack of record keeping to have not made it to this era, also, thus no 'scandal'.
All in all as for that score -- it does appear that many, or even most of the babies born at these facilities were often enough baptized by [Roman] Catholic priests -- by request of the nuns whom were in charge of the facilities.
Setting that narrow consideration to the side, for now;
I came across this from a woman named Ophelia Benson, who says
if any are interested in how the story first began to come to common-day discussions. http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2014/06/catherine-corless-synopsis-of-her-research-on-tuam-motherbaby-home/
which means what? some kind of skate of every responsibility? no wonder people disdain evangelical thought if that is what it boils down to. it is too shallow.
Since all the people reportedly involved in these brutal and perverted scandals died around 100 years ago, who, exactly, is being rebuked or corrected?
This is scandal-mongering for its own sake, since there is no proportionate reason (like the timely correction of one of the perpetrators) to dwell on this muck.
Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for timely edification as needed, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
What false teaching was involved in the article at the top of this thread?
It's a Free Republic link. I think you could benefit from both the facts and the discussion.
My faith group does just what?
It’s sad that this happened to a Christian community. But this should be a cautionary tale, not the interdenominational equivalent of the Ken-L-Ration boast. “Let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.”
Thank you for the ping, Mrs. Don-o. I share your concerns. I’ll check the Forbes article.
Long ago, I began to be wary of anything printed in the Daily Mail without checking it three times over. It often overstates the case and the case sometimes falls apart because of the overkill.
Hang in there - you are important to the Catholic forums.
The silliest thing... this isn’t even in Religion.
It should be there, if not in Smoky Backroom. Why do we have something like this in Chat at all? FR isn’t supposed to be a dirty gossip fence
Given that there are many atheists and Marxists and islamists wandering about today, all of whom have infiltrated all nations of the West, many with the express intention of infiltrating Western institutions and destroying them, please let me understand why you are laying this at the feet of "Protestantism", which is one of the least organized religious groups anywhere -- by design. No central earthly authority, no popes nor kings, no president, no magisterium, no single point of ultimate worship or system of basilicas or the like -- please explain where you are coming from.
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