Posted on 01/10/2015 1:06:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Rochester, NY (WROC) - LaTanya Daughtry needs a new place to live.
The single mother of two boys is on disability and gets a Section 8 housing voucher. But many online classifieds ads say "No Section 8."
"It just makes me feel people look at me differently because I'm on Section 8," Daughtry said. "A lot of ads say no Section 8 right off the bat."
Section 8 is a federal housing program run through the Rochester Housing Authority. Recipients pay a portion of the rent and Section 8 pays the rest.
Section 8 vouchers are in short supply. In the Rochester region, 9,125 families get the housing vouchers. There are about 10,000 families who have been on the waiting list for five years. A Harvard University study found that 30 percent of Rochester area renters are "severely burdened," meaning they pay more than half their income on rent.
"I really can't afford housing on my own with a disability, so Section 8 helps out tremendously," said Daughtry.
The goal of Section 8 was to give poor people the freedom to move where they want. But it hasn't worked out that way. Sixty-one percent of the region's Section 8 recipients live in high-poverty areas.
"It's not illegal in Rochester and most of the state to deny someone because the landlord doesn't wish to contract and accept the Section 8 voucher," said Lou Prieto, an attorney with Legal Assistance of Western New York.
Rochester's higher-end Park Ave. neighborhood has the lowest concentration of Section 8 housing vouchers in the city, with only a few dozen recipients living in housing units there.
"It has nothing to do with we don't like poor people. It just means (Park Ave.) housing is more expensive," said Gini Denninger, a real estate agent.
Section 8 bases how much it will pay landlords on comparable rents in the area. The Park Ave. area commands $912 for a two-bedroom, higher than the $830 standard Section 8 rate. If a tenant wants to live in a pricier apartment, Section 8 will evaluate the comparable rents. As long as tenants don't pay more than 40 percent of ther income in rent, Section 8 will sign off on the arrangement.
Many landlords complain about the red tape involved with Section 8. There are pre-move-in inspections that can two weeks to schedule, leaving a property vacant. Section 8 also requires landlords use a contract it provides.
Some landlords think Section 8 tenants, who need public assistance to pay for housing, are more of a risk.
"This is a business. And I have an obligation to the City of Rochester and the neighborhood I own property in to put the best person in that neighborhood," said Mary D'Alessandro, who owns 11 properties and heads the New York State Property Owners Coalition.
The new interim director of the Rochester Housing Authority wants landlords to be required to accept Section 8. At a recent board meeting, Adam McFadden proposed a fair housing law. That would forbid landlords from discriminating against Section 8 tenants, in the same way landlords are not allowed to discriminate against people with disabilities or people with children.
McFadden would not appear on camera for this story, citing the controversy over his appointment and a need to stay out of the spotlight.
A fair housing law would face opposition.
"If I am discriminating for Section 8 - on income discrimination - then these people should be able to go get a mortgage. Why do I have to rent to them, but a bank doesn't have to give them a mortgage?" said D'Alessandro.
"If Section 8 were that easy for housing providers, they would all be doing it," said Denninger.
Prieto said in order for a fair housing law to work, it would have to be countywide.
"Even if Rochester were to pass such an ordinance, the tenants would still encounter problems, I think in the suburbs," said Prieto.
Fair housing laws exist in Buffalo and New York City. There is no fair housing law proposal in front of Rochester City Council or the Monroe County Legislature. But McFadden has indicated he will work with lawmakers to bring one forward.
Meanwhile, Daughtry found a place to live in the 19th Ward. Her new Landlord, Marty Rennert, likes the Section 8 program. He finds the required leases and rules help - not hurt - his business.
"As a landlord it's a risk-mitigator in every sense," said Rennert. "It puts a positive pressure on both the tenant and the landlord and ensures a good relationship."
Rennert suspects many landlords confuse Section 8 with rental assistance provided by social services. Rennert said there are fewer protections in social service rental assistance. However, Rennert is wary of a fair housing law. He said some landlords would put in place requirements such as making tenants pay first and last month's rents plus a security deposit. In other words, the landlords would make sure Section 8 recipients would not be able to rent their properties.
Daughtry likes the idea of a fair housing law.
"It would give people like me a chance and an opportunity to do better to go better places, and to establish a better environment for my children," she said.
Those are the landlords that care about their neighborhoods and other tenants more than the short-term government payments. Section 8 is a boon to unscrupulous landlords, but a curse to neighbors and neighborhoods.
These bastards have the gall to believe that they own what they think they own! </ sarc>
I hear Section 8 and I always think of Klinger on MASH.
How much longer will they have the choice?
Certainly. That 40% of the rent thing is BS. Spendable income....and I’m guessing that income don’t include SNAP and all the other entitlements. There’s a video of a homeowner who rented out his house for $1050/month. The nice tenant only had to come up with $50 and she couldn’t do that. By the time he evicted her, she’d completely trashed the place and sold off anything of value that could be ripped out.
When getting paid by the U.S. Government becomes an “iffy” proposition, it’s always wise to not do business with it anymore. This is just good business.
I now have four properties. The only ones I’ve had problems with are people on welfare. I didn’t even know they were on welfare. But they were growing marihuana, selling steaks on the EBT plan to finance beer. They smoked the place up so I had to pain every surface after just 6 months. The police knocked down my new door. The damage they did was amazing. Plus, the moved out in August without telling me and left $100 worth of meat in the new $1100 refrigerator with the power off. Now, I insist on seeing a paycheck and a financial statement.
Other landlords have shown me pictures of Section 8 damage. Nobody has a nice Section 8 story.
But others will. Being inveterate liberals they don’t just make a quiet road to the willing customers, they filth the unwilling ones.
And their neighbors say Thank You!
"Families"?
Doubt that.
More likely single women with clutches of bastard children.
Section 8 renters typically destroy the properties they rent, and turn them into ghetto fodder.
Ugh...when my parents passed on, I had the opportunity to turn their place (in a not so good neighborhood) into a rental. But I decided I didn’t have the patience for it.
For public housing, which is in short supply.
We had tremendous problems with the Section 8rs here for a while. Then out village passed a Nuisance Property ordinance. Now when a new family moves in to one of the properties owned by out of state landlords I send them a copy of said ordinance by registered mail.
The quality of the renters has increased dramatically.
My Mom had an apt for rent a few months back..put the apt on craigslist, a woman emailed us telling us her story about how she is on Section 8, etc..the second I saw the words “Section 8” I deleted her email
Most people can get SSI and skip the waiting list for Section 8, which can take years.
Fixed it for you.
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She's also, no doubt, on Food Stamps and possibly FI.
Section 8 housing usually destroys the neighborhood. Why? Because the recipients have little, if any, skin in the game.
If Section 8 was a good deal for landlords, there would be no waiting for housing.
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