Something About The Way She Died Part 2

BirtherReport.com ^ | November 10, 2014 | Linda Jordan

[Smokin' Joe]

If she died of severe internal injuries, then why was she the only one?

There was no notable deformation of the airframe, just some panels stripped off. The exit door apparently worked just fine. No one else was noted as having suffered any internal injuries. None.

One was in good enough shape to swim to shore.

So why would she have suffered 'severe internal injuries' when no one else did?

Anyone who can explain, please do.

[shibumi]

Is this a Rorschach Test?

[advertising guy]

Ask that POS HUMBLEGUNNER,he is all over it

[smokingfrog]

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20131211X33313

NTSB Identification: WPR14FA068
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 135: Air Taxi & Commuter
Accident occurred Wednesday, December 11, 2013 in Kalaupapa, HI
Aircraft: CESSNA 208B, registration: N687MA
Injuries: 1 Fatal,3 Serious,5 Minor.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. NTSB investigators either traveled in support of this investigation or conducted a significant amount of investigative work without any travel, and used data obtained from various sources to prepare this aircraft accident report.

On December 11, 2013, at 1522 Hawaiian standard time, a Cessna 208B, N687MA, sustained substantial damage following a loss of engine power and ditching into the Pacific Ocean near Kalaupapa, Hawaii. The airline transport pilot and two passengers were seriously injured, one passenger was fatally injured, and five passengers received minor injuries. Makani Kai Air was operating the flight under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 135. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the cross-country flight, which had originated about 2 minutes before the accident. A company flight plan had been filed. The flight departed from the Kalaupapa airport on the island of Molokai, and was en route to Honolulu International airport, on the island of Oahu.

The pilot stated that shortly after takeoff, a loud bang was heard and there was a total loss of power. After a short glide, he performed an open ocean ditching. The airplane floated for approximately 25 minutes and then sank. All the passengers put on their life preservers and exited the airplane. US Coast Guard and Maui Fire and Rescue personnel recovered the passengers approximately 80 minutes later.

[Nero Germanicus]

The official Maui County Medical Examiner’s listed cause of death was cardiac arrhythmia.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140113_Health_Director_Loretta_Fuddy_died_of_cardiac_arrhythimia.html?id=240014161

[butterdezillion]

No, the anqles don’t work for it to be her shoe. And there are other faces and equipment in the water that are not any of the passenqers in that plane.

Also, the police didn’t recover any socks, shoes, or bracelets. They claimed her unbuttoned sweater was there but no socks or shoes...

There is a LOT more to be said about this. But the diaper section has already arrived here so it probably can’t happen here.

[DoughtyOne]

Loretta Fuddy, I'd like to introduce you to Ron Brown.  You two have a lot to talk about...


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[Admin Moderator]

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[butterdezillion]

You would not believe all the discrepancies in the Coast Quard records/claims.

PJ Ornott, the first rescue swimmer to come to Fuddy, claimed that since she was unresponsive the protocols meant he had to pass her by. In reality, the protocols had just been chanqed the year prior to allow a rescuer to EVER pass somebody by, and that was only if they were decapitated, burnt to a crisp, had lunqs, heart, or liver separated from the rest of their body, or showed siqns of havinq been dead for at least 2 hours - riqor mortis (stiffness) and lividity (poolinq of blood in the lowest part of the body).

Mark Peer said she had no pulse when he qot to her and he motioned to his helo to pick her up. But the records claim that she was in critical condition in the USCQ helo - and the police records claimed a few minutes later that she expired. And the helo that Mark Peer came in - the 2nd helo - only arrived about 14 minutes AFTER a press report claimed there was one dead in the “crash” and was already en route to Honolulu with 3 other passenqers at the time that CQ records say that there was one in critical condition in the CQ helo.

Of course, the communications loqs for the 2 CQ helos - which were supposed to record their location and activity every 15 minutes - actually qave coordinates that put them on the far northwest corner of Molokai, not in Kalaupapa, at the time...

They’ve qot the wronq place, the wronq helo, the wronq condition, the wronq protocols, the wronq cause of death...

Oh, and they tried to claim that a Romeo is the same thinq as a fiqhter plane based on the USS Ronald Reaqan...

But hey, aside from all that, thinqs are cool with them...

[Servant of the Cross]

What Do You See?

[butterdezillion]

Linda did an excellent job puttinq this toqether. But like I said, as lonq as the diaper section shows up, the facts will not be welcomed here.

It’s a shame. The conservative epistemoloqy is not to blow off facts; that’s more of a liberal thinq.

[butterdezillion]

How did Dr. Harle conduct an autopsy on Molokai from the island of Maui - since the Maui Police Dept has acknowledqed that they were not charqed a bill for transportinq her to Molokai, even thouqh the form for the autopsy charqes had specific columns for that purpose?

And especially since the autopsy supposedly beqan before she could even have qotten to the hospital morque to conduct it if she HAD been on the earliest fliqht onto Molokai that morninq (which she wasn’t)...

The MCPD has acknowledqed that there are no records indicatinq any means of communication that Dr. Harle used to pronounce the death from Maui either. It wasn’t done in person, and it wasn’t done via phone, text, email, fax, skype, or CAD communication. How, then, did she communicate the pronouncement of death?

[Nero Germanicus]

I don’t know the answers to your questions. If I wanted to know (which I don’t) I would simply give her a call or drop her an email and ask her directly.
I’ll leave the intrigue to you. My post was about what is listed as the official cause of death.

Dr. Lindsey Harle, M.D. : (808) 442-5632
lindsey.harle@hawaiilabs.com

Special Practice Responsibilities
Specialty: Anatomic and Clinical Pathology, Board Certified
Sub-Specialty: Forensic Pathology
Education: Doctor of Medicine, University of Texas Medical Branch, School of Medicine.
Location: Maui Memorial Medical Center
Specialty
Forensic Pathology

Dr. Harle is board certified in anatomic and clinical pathology by the American Board of Pathology. She is also certified in Fundamentals of Molecular Pathology by the American Association of Clinical Chemistry.

Dr. Harle earned her M.D. degree from the University of Texas Medical Branch School of Medicine in Galveston and completed her residency in anatomic and clinical pathology at the University of Hawaii’s Department of Pathology in Honolulu. She went on to complete a fellowship in forensic pathology at the Office of the Medical Examiner, City and County of Denver, CO. Dr. Harle is a member of the United States and Canadian Academy of Pathology, the College of American Pathologists and the Clinical Laboratory Management Association. She has also served as Representative for the Hawaii Residency Program Graduate Medical Education Committee.

[Smokin' Joe]

Without evidence of arrhythmia (I.E. an EKG) how does anyone know what rhythm the heart was beating in, except of course, that it stopped?

An arrhythmia leaves no tell-tale blockages, no clots, no embolism.

She had no history of cardiac problems, no past history of arrhythmia, so that seems an unlikely conclusion.

On the other hand, both saltwater drowning and "severe internal injuries" would leave physical evidence that could be found and used in a determination of cause of death in a postmortem examination.

Now we have three stories, and without the true details from the postmortem examination have only a deepening mystery.

Motive: Eliminate the person responsible for allegedly producing the forged file touted as a true and correct Birth Certificate for one Barrack Hussein Obama.

Means: undetermined without valid postmortem data.

Opportunity: Sabotage of the aircraft carrying her.

[butterdezillion]

And those socks that the police didn’t find on Fuddy in the morque - they were held in place by pants with elastic so tiqht that it held water in the pantleq so that the pantleq ballooned into a perfect sphere around her ankles. The socks and shoes stayed on throuqh all that desperate thrashinq of her leqs, accordinq to the theory that the yellow and black was her shoe and pantleq, but fell riqht off (in spite of the elastic pantleq holdinq them on) after she went limp and bobbed in the water passively.

[Smokin' Joe]

On December 11, 2013, at 1522 Hawaiian standard time, a Cessna 208B, N687MA, sustained substantial damage following a loss of engine power and ditching into the Pacific Ocean near Kalaupapa, Hawaii.

"Substantial damage" from an insurance standpoint, perhaps.

You saw the pics of the plane floating in the water, cabin intact, wings still in place, rudder, stabilizers, tail section intact, engine still in the mounts, landing gear extended and in place.

IOW, pretty much in one piece, despite the fact that it would be unlikely the plane would be recovered in any condition to be made flyable again.

For insurance purposes, the plane was a write-off and had suffered "severe damage" from the standpoint it would be uneconomical to fix and return to service.

Physically, however, all the major parts were pretty much where they were supposed to be.

[ethical]

No. You can not assign three disparate causes of death to a person. She drowned causing her heart to stop or her heart developed an arrhythmia and stopped or she succumbed to sever internal injuries causing her heart to stop. It can not be all three.

[butterdezillion]

The skeptics here said that an enzyme test could positively identify cardiac arrhythmia. But they didn’t do any enzyme tests. Absent that, they’d need to see her medical records. Oh, wait, they didn’t request any of those either...

I suppose they’d have to qo by witness statements. Hmm. Funny thinq. They never took witness statements, even thouqh the law that authorizes the coroner to have an autopsy done also REQUIRES a complete investiqation, includinq sworn witness statements... If they had the authorization to do the autopsy they also had the RESPONSIBILITY to do the complete investiqation with sworn witness statements.

But the MCPD claims there was no death within their jurisdiction. Statutorily, if Fuddy’s pulse stopped in the water, the death was within Maui County’s jurisdiction IF SHE DIED. The MCPD claims they were not required to take sworn witness statements because there WAS NO DEATH WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

That’s what the Maui County Police Chief said. HRS 841-3 was not statutorily in effect - which would only be the case if there was NO DEATH WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

[HandyDandy]

You are having an issue with your q-key, or your g-key, on your keyboard. I can’t figure out which, and it is starting to cause me much consternation.

[smokingfrog]

When they hauled it up from the bottom, it looked like a pile of junk. Hard to believe the surf could do that much damage to an intact aircraft.