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To: Nero Germanicus
Without evidence of arrhythmia (I.E. an EKG) how does anyone know what rhythm the heart was beating in, except of course, that it stopped?

An arrhythmia leaves no tell-tale blockages, no clots, no embolism.

She had no history of cardiac problems, no past history of arrhythmia, so that seems an unlikely conclusion.

On the other hand, both saltwater drowning and "severe internal injuries" would leave physical evidence that could be found and used in a determination of cause of death in a postmortem examination.

Now we have three stories, and without the true details from the postmortem examination have only a deepening mystery.

Motive: Eliminate the person responsible for allegedly producing the forged file touted as a true and correct Birth Certificate for one Barrack Hussein Obama.

Means: undetermined without valid postmortem data.

Opportunity: Sabotage of the aircraft carrying her.

34 posted on 11/11/2014 7:01:46 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The skeptics here said that an enzyme test could positively identify cardiac arrhythmia. But they didn’t do any enzyme tests. Absent that, they’d need to see her medical records. Oh, wait, they didn’t request any of those either...

I suppose they’d have to qo by witness statements. Hmm. Funny thinq. They never took witness statements, even thouqh the law that authorizes the coroner to have an autopsy done also REQUIRES a complete investiqation, includinq sworn witness statements... If they had the authorization to do the autopsy they also had the RESPONSIBILITY to do the complete investiqation with sworn witness statements.

But the MCPD claims there was no death within their jurisdiction. Statutorily, if Fuddy’s pulse stopped in the water, the death was within Maui County’s jurisdiction IF SHE DIED. The MCPD claims they were not required to take sworn witness statements because there WAS NO DEATH WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

That’s what the Maui County Police Chief said. HRS 841-3 was not statutorily in effect - which would only be the case if there was NO DEATH WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.


38 posted on 11/11/2014 7:11:48 PM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“She had no history of cardiac problems, no past history of arrhythmia, so that seems an unlikely conclusion.”

You seen her medical records?


54 posted on 11/11/2014 8:21:26 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: Smokin' Joe

The family of the deceased has the full, unredacted autopsy report and they are suing Pratt and Whitney, the aircraft engine maker and Makani Kai Air, the owners of the plane that crashed.
A wrongful death lawsuit will spend a considerable amount of time and testimony on the actual cause of death. I would imagine that the Medical Examiner/pathologist who performed the autopsy will be deposed and called to testify.
The suggested motive for eliminating Loretta Fuddy misses a key point, Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, the Hawaii state Registrar of Vital Statistics has Barack Obama’s original birth certificate in his office safe. It was Dr. Onaka who certified the two copies of the long form Certificate of Live Birth that Loretta Fuddy approved for release and it was Alvin Onaka who wrote two Certified Letters of Verification for the Secretaries of State in Arizona and Kansas.
Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. remains very much alive and if anyone is ever able to convince a judge to issue a court order for the release and inspection of the original Obama birth certificate, it is Alvin T. Onaka who will open his office safe and provide that document to the Court and he is still very much alive.


76 posted on 11/11/2014 11:56:59 PM PST by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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