Posted on 10/12/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch
This has been an interesting week for me. I have been discussing with numerous Christian lawyers and judges in three states, a possible solution to the lawsuits LGBT clientele bring forth against Christian Small Business Owners for having strong religious beliefs.
We are all familiar with the lawsuit against the Colorado family-owned Christian bakery that eventually lost their business due to their refusal to bake a wedding cake for two same sex clients.
Then there's the the New Mexico photographer who got sued after declining to photograph a lesbian couple's wedding, citing religious objections.
Or the florist who allegedly refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding because of her religious beliefs is now being sued by the Washington State attorney general.
On and on it goes. These people think they can force us to accept their sexual deviance as being normal behavior. I'm sorry, I can't do that.
When a Christian Small Business Owner hangs a sign in his place of business that reads, "Occasionally, we sub-contract work to other local businesses that meet our standards of quality" hopefully this will protect him from these LGBT clientele who think the world works best when a liberal judge oversees it.
What you are saying with your sign is that you will sub-contract work to others when any of theses situations exist: due to work overload, lack of needed supplies on hand, shortage of personnel when someone is on vacation or off sick or the job is so disgusting that you would prefer someone else do it.
You are not required to announce your religious beliefs to the LGBT client who enter your place of business. You are not refusing the LGBT customer request that he or she employ your company to do work that you advertise you are willing to do. You ask the LGBT client all the normal questions that you would any client. Then you call another Small Business Owner whose religious beliefs are such that they do not interfere with them doing the work under a sub-contract for your LGBT client. You get a bid from the other SBO and relay the cost to your LGBT client. They will then either accept or refuse the bid. In which case they are free to search for another SBO to do their work.
Should they accept your bid, you then call the sub contractor and tell him to proceed with the job as you have outlined it in your previous phone call. He does the work, delivers the product to you, you call the LGBT client and tell them to come in, settle the bill and collect the finished product.
The result is a happy LGBT client who has no reason to bring a lawsuit against you or your firm for refusal of service. You didn't have to handle any offensive material and hopefully your religious beliefs were not too harmed that a few prayers won't mend them.
In the event of this being a photography proposal, the same situation exists. You accept the job, explain what you will need. Then tell the client your price which you will have agreed to ahead of time with another photographer who is not so easily offended. When the job comes up and the other photographer shows up at the site for the job, he only has to say that you are coming down with a cold and didn't want to expose the wedding guests to a possible infection so he is the alternate cameraman. The client will accept or deny entrance to the alternate cameraman, in which case you will return whatever percentage of his deposit that you feel is fair.
Numerous judges and lawyers believe this is a workable solution to the current situation. Please verify this with your company attorney and if it requires any tweaks to fit your state laws don't hold them to yourself. Share the information on how we can protect our businesses!
If you know any Christian business owners please copy this text and email it to them. Perhaps send the URL so they can read any comments that FR members post on the subject.
Did these lawyers happen to mention that the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect so-called gay rights and that the Supreme Court has clarified that the 14th Amendment applies only constitutionally enumerated rights to the states regardless of pro-gay, PC interpretations of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protections Clause now by activist judges?
Did these lawyers also mention that the states where these hate crimes against Christians are occuring are in violation of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment imo? This is because Section 1 prohibits the states from making laws / policies which unreasonably abridge the constitutionally enumerated rights of citizens, the 1st Amendment's protection of religious freedom in this case.
In other words, the states are wrongly using constitutionally unprotected gay "rights" to trump constitutionally protected religious expression.
As long as I still have the right to vote I can't, and won't do that.
And as long as I still vote these secularists will continue to accuse me of "imposing my belief system" on them.
But I see your point. And I agree modern "Christians" have done this for a long, long time.
It won't be a revival, it'll be a pestilence and flood.
Yes a few of them did mention that the laws are currently swung to the Left. They all hoped we don’t have to wait too long before the reversal swing starts.
We are simply trying to survive to fight another day without denying our Saviour.
No it isn’t a pestilence, it is simple acceding to the truth of what God tells us.
If you’re a friend of the world, you are an enemy of God... ZING!
Can’t get any straighter than that.
Christians have long known that discretion and God-orchestrated opportunity is needed when sharing gospel. You don’t just cram the whole ball in the world’s face any which way in the power of the arm of flesh, and then scream bloody murder when the inevitable results.
Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” - Jesus Christ
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." - The United States Constitution
Do you have any questions?
You’ve been spoiled by a relative lull in overt demonic activity. That lull is pretty much over.
I think if this were to be litigated the 1st Amendment route probably has the best hope.
But some more perceptive folks might ask, why are you picking on homos when you don’t pick on divorcees etc.?
No, I haven’t been spoiled. I just refuse to take part in what too many consider normal. I carefully screen clients before I accept their business. Not everyone has the will, the time or can afford to be selective. This thread is for them.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Did they mention the specific points about the 14th Amendment that I mentioned?
Excellent!
You’ve changed the topic, and anyhow even your screening could be attacked in a court and then what?
You need not to formulate your own plan by your own understanding, but truly and really obey God.
Two judges did.
Or a percentage of proceeds from “all business” ... at least that might buy you some time till they regroup.
No humanly crafted formula will win in the end. It has to be dynamic, and coordinated in real time by the Lord.
?? I said a pestilence will be visited upon us, and a flood.
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If you’re a friend of the world, you are an enemy of God
Yes, keep yourself set apart.
The GLBT will probably target church or church-related organizations. A church could be sued for violating local laws barring gay employment discrimination or the federal tax exemption (which also bars discrimination).
One might argue for religious freedom for the pastor but not for jobs in the church that don’t directly involve preaching or counseling. Some big hairy guy will walk in with pink hair, hoop earrings, high heels and fishnet stockings and demand a job as a janitor.
Well if you want to approach it from that angle, then consider how God says to address pestilences. Remember we are in New Testament now.
But be careful not to be seen as throwing a tantrum that your once Christianized world has been spoiled. It never really was actually Christian.
Hang a sign that says all proceeds from gay wedding cages ....Man, you struck gold, right there and don’t know it!
I would just tell them to kiss my pimply butt, just like I did for Democrats and muslims at my gunshop. No muzzscum ever came in but if they did they would have been told to get the hell out. I chased more than a couple of Obama voters out. I have since closed the shop due to health reasons, but I would have closed it down before doing business with the enemy.
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