Posted on 10/12/2014 5:54:04 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
From Press conference live right now:
The 2nd person who contracted ebola was wearing the full protective gear as recommended by the CDC!
Wow!
And that dope Dr. Bernie Seigel on Fox news agrees we should not ban flights from Ebola striken areas. He never said anything when I heard the guest that was opposite of him, mention to allow military flights to shuttle supplies to those reasons but to ban commercial travel which would contain Ebola and prevent it from coming here, but now it is too late.
Obama, the CDC head, and Dr. Siegel are all complicit in anyone who contracts ebola from this point forward.
Maybe he went out to breakfast or something.
Hope so. Simply cannot leave unchecked (imho)
Her gear was probably made of paper, and the nearest shower was on a different floor.
Dallas Presbyterian does not have a biocontainment unit. This was the first test of the following national policy:
"any U.S. hospital that is following CDC's infection control recommendations and can isolate a patient in a private room is capable of safely managing a patient with EVD. CDC recommends that U.S. hospitals isolate the patient in a private room and implement standard, contact, and droplet precautions."
The policy flunked. What to do now is being actively discussed by all of us, right this second.
Proper decontamination is incredibly ritualistic and very time consuming. And even then there are no guarantees.
When the AIDS crisis was at its peak, surgeons were terrified because all too often, when wielding a scalpel, they nick right through their glove. Likewise many dentists died from AIDS, to the point where many wore plastic face shields, and many others just refused to treat AIDS patients.
Typically hospitals are not focused on highly pathogenic disease protection and decontamination, because it is so very rarely encountered. So, when a patient like Duncan comes in, there are few efforts to more than marginally button up, and this is when medical workers get infected.
Then, once they do get prepared, there is still a learning curve to be both properly protected and decontaminated.
Not a coverup, just spewing BS and hoping that no one will read say, Nature and find out there is less than honesty going on.
What causes a collective loss of the need for self-preservation? I share your sarcasm but occasionally lapse into something forthright.
Here is one of my forthright thoughts.... yes, you are correct I think, nothing will change until we crash and then some of the survivors will build something from the ash heap. Until then it is all change and decay.
This hymn was written by a Scottish pastor named Henry Francis Lyte as he died. I have always found great comfort in it and offer it for consideration this Sunday morning:
Abide with me; fast falls the eventide;
The darkness deepens; Lord with me abide.
When other helpers fail and comforts flee,
Help of the helpless, O abide with me.
Swift to its close ebbs out life’s little day;
Earth’s joys grow dim; its glories pass away;
Change and decay in all around I see;
O Thou who changest not, abide with me.
Not a brief glance I beg, a passing word,
But as Thou dwell’st with Thy disciples, Lord,
Familiar, condescending, patient, free.
Come not to sojourn, but abide with me.
Come not in terrors, as the King of kings,
But kind and good, with healing in Thy wings;
Tears for all woes, a heart for every plea.
Come, Friend of sinners, thus abide with me.
Thou on my head in early youth didst smile,
And though rebellious and perverse meanwhile,
Thou hast not left me, oft as I left Thee.
On to the close, O Lord, abide with me.
I need Thy presence every passing hour.
What but Thy grace can foil the tempter’s power?
Who, like Thyself, my guide and stay can be?
Through cloud and sunshine, Lord, abide with me.
I fear no foe, with Thee at hand to bless;
Ills have no weight, and tears no bitterness.
Where is death’s sting? Where, grave, thy victory?
I triumph still, if Thou abide with me.
Hold Thou Thy cross before my closing eyes;
Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies.
Heaven’s morning breaks, and earth’s vain shadows flee;
In life, in death, O Lord, abide with me.
I am not concerned about Laz. He was the very first one to off himself for the good of the rest of us (almost a month ago). And several times since. He usually bounces back. But each time he dies for us, he saves many lives. It is his way.
Focus on a 30-day quarantine for arrivals instead. That would save just as many lives and can be done within existing law, using the USPHS for what it was created to do (National Quarantine Act 1878).
I would say that a 90% death rate would qualify as “often.” The newly infected health worker was wearing full protective gear while in contact with the now-deceased patient.
Be curious to know for how long, etc.
These sorts of service restrictions and also EVD tracebacks can have a fairly pronounced ripple effect on delivery of other types of healthcare. I'm familiar with the traceback protocols for certain TSEs; the resource requirements for EVD tracebacks must be substantial.
Because the current EVD screenings are largely ineffective against people still asymptomatic, if further outbreaks occur in different areas, healthcare resources will "sag" as they attempt to traceback new EVD cases, treat people now symptomatic, protect health care workers against infection, etc.
The US has an outstanding healthcare system, but Americans are poorly served by not implementing mandatory quarantines for people arriving from affected EVD areas in Africa.
FRiend, do you not know that the first thing and the last thing that doctors are taught in medical school is that they possess superior intelligence and that they are never wrong?
Some escape this inculcation and reason their way through it, they become good doctors and remain human, most do not.
Medical school transformed my brother from his rational humble roots into an asshole who will loudly proclaim he knows everything because he is a doctor. He is never wrong even when he clearly is. I won’t delve into analysis save to suggest, very strongly, that the conflict is making him progressively mad.
A lot of this in Africa is due to people crowding and lining up outside clinics and hospitals waiting for treatment. It could spread like crazy in such a circumstance. Second, for those talking about UV radiation. Often the radiation intensity and time of exposure is not enough to kill the virus.
yep, have noticed that ... has even zotted himself a few times but (imho) this cannot be left laying without being checked. Sometimes there appears clues. Sometimes not. Prayers that nothing has happened. Just want someone to check on Laz, or see another post from Laz. I’ll just sit quietly after this is checked.
I wonder if that dopey Texas official has it yet. The one who moved the infected-like family in his car.
“Judge” Clay Jenkins is not even a jurist... Judges in Texas are what they call county administrators. It is possible this guy didn’t even get out of high screwl.
I recommend that 0bama fly to Africa and mingle with Ebola infected "folks" to show us that we have nothin' to worry about.
Now we are blaming the patient - “breach of protocol.”
At the presser they were not sure how the person contracted it. 15 minutes later it is “clear” there was a breach in protocol?
Oh, that’s right, we need a line for the Sunday morning talk shows.
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