Posted on 10/03/2014 8:27:21 PM PDT by Enlightened1
When dealing with biological hazards at this level the use of a positive pressure personnel suit, with a segregated air supply is mandatory. The entrance and exit of a level four biolab will contain multiple showers, a vacuum room, an ultraviolet light room, and other safety precautions designed to destroy all traces of the biohazard. Multiple airlocks are employed and are electronically secured to prevent both doors from opening at the same time. All air and water service going to and coming from a biosafety level 4 (or P4) lab will undergo similar decontamination procedures to eliminate the possibility of an accidental release.
Slowly? Get back to me in 10 days.
This is not a immigration problem. It is not now but will likely become a refugee problem....big difference..
If Ebola, which is unfortunately out of control on the African West coast, continues to spread..and it would if not brought under control, you would not be able to stop refugees from entering this country, even if you stopped all international flight, which would never be done BTW, because it would disrupt out entire economy.
Currently, nearly all transportation to Africa via air, is commercial flights from and to Europe, and the aid, doctors, nurses, and NGO teams are all using this these flights to get in and out.
If you curtail the commercial flights, you would need to replace them with military airlift,in and out of the US. If other countries curtailed their flight, many of them as well would have to provide military airlift to move their people in and out.
It might be possible to do, but I think I supported the idea that you would have to replace it. No NGO team or doctor or aid group would voluntarily go to west Africa, unless they could get out. If they could get out by going to France, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium..whatever and then to the US, they would do that, as would anyone wanting to fly out.
The Dallas guy did not fly direct either...so what you would need to do is to not accept ANY international flights.
Just like when you build a fence on the border, or put a padlock on a gate, people will put up a ladder or go around the gate if they cannot jump over it.
If you think the Coyotes' are bad in Mexico, imagine the money that will be made by them for bringing Africans and other refugees from other infected 3rd world countries to the US, docking small boats from a mother ship at various points on our coastlines..
I think your solutions are far too short sighted.
I think your fears of a serious problem down the road are quite valid, but your solutions are all wrong.
Like many people I have chatted with over the past several weeks, I would advise you that isolating the US will not in the end, keep our country safe.
What will keep it safe, is the same thing we have been doing for a hundred or so years, and that is intervention at the source of the problem
Actually, I think the deployment is for force protection for the engineers who will be doing a lot of building of facilities.
I think they will need a lot more in the near future, but you have to start small and work up.
I also expect us to deploy one or more hospital ships to take the load off the locals and NGOs. I think that may just be what the helicopter people are planning to do when they get set up.
At some point, yes, they may well be used to help secure quarantined areas,,,but that is likely way down the road and only if necessary.
We would keep them out of the country and quarantine them if we can. I guess you never read about Elliss Island?
“Like many people I have chatted with over the past several weeks, I would advise you that isolating the US will not in the end, keep our country safe.”
I never said isolate the entire U.S. from the rest of the world. You changed my argument of no flights from countries that have a pandemic of Ebola to the entire work. Then you then debated that. LOL! Nice Delphi method ;-) Yes I know all about that. Now let's get back to my original point.
Using your logic of their is nothing we can do.. Well then the White House should not have a fence or any type of security what so ever. Since someone who is determined could get through. Which is complete rubbish.
No one said there is a perfect system, but any type of security is better than very little to none. It's kind of like locking your doors at night. A burglar may still break through a window, but the locked door does help.
All I'm saying end flights to countries that have a pandemic of Ebola. British Airways is doing that, Air France is doing it and so is Saudi Arabia. We can do that and still attack it at the source.
I'm sorry but I don't buy the “do very little to nothing approach”. At this stage we can still stop it before it gets far worse.
Realize that homosexuality is illegal in the West African ebola nations.
Wait until Ebola enter the gay community here in the U.S.!!!
Hiv of the 80s teaches us that they will use thier political pressure to deny that any gays have Ebola.
My grandparents came through Ellis. I know all about it.
I think I already mentioned it once, but ill do it again. There are NO flights from or directly to the US from West Africa, None are American carriers.
The Dallas guy did not fly directly to the US.
Flights from the airport in the Liberian capital of Monrovia fly to only six destinations -- four in West and Central Africa, one flight to Morocco and one flight to Brussels, Belgium. There are no direct flights into the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport from any of those six destinations, meaning that man had to make at least one more change. So you are wasting your energy...on that topic..
If you tried to ban flights from Belgium or Morroco, they would simply fly or drive to another international airport that has a direct flight to the US and their past travel history would not necessarily follow them. All they would have to do is to not buy their connecting fight tickets in Africa.
“I’m sorry but I don’t buy the “do very little to nothing approach”. At this stage we can still stop it before it gets far worse. “
I said the only way to protect US citizens in the homeland is to put out the fire in Africa. I did not say to do very little. I said we need to put everything we have into it.
All of your thinking seems to me to be related to immigration. The problem, when it comes, is not going to be a immigration issue, It’s going to be a refugee issue, a illegal refugee issue.
To use a comparable event, I would point you to the boat people from Cuba.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift
But it will be multiples worse than that, while at the same time we will be fighting a global financial collapse.
None of this can be prevented by sealing the Mexican or Canadian land borders..
The problem...this particular problem, is not here, it is in Africa.
There are ways around the airline routing problem, of course.
However, anybody with a Liberian passport or a Liberian visa stamped fewer than 21 days prior could be turned away if he attempted to board an airplane to the USA.
i don’t believe they want to stop it. they want it full-blown.
If Obama really want to assure us there is nothing to worry about certainly some important celebrity friends can reassure us on his behalf. Maybe Jay Z and Beyonce can fly to and from Monrovia in coach?
If I start bleeding from my eyes I am going to institute “operation hug a liberal open borders advocate”
That's NOT true. Every day there is a Delta Airlines 767 flight from Ebola infested Liberia to JFK. It will land at 7am. This flight comes in every day to New York City. I decided to track it on live flight for you.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL479
I have no issues trying to contain it over there, but we can also tell West Africans they cannot come over here until this thing contained.
I cannot understand why you are so hell bent against taking basic safety precautions to protect the public???
You seem to be parroting the Administrations talking points of leave the borders wide open for Ebola and ISIS in a a post 911 world.....
Which may sound great to communist in Academia that are hell bent to destroy our free Republic.
Again why are you the Administration's side of doing nothing over here regarding the illegal immigration that will bring Ebloa????
We already know of one case, and how long until the next case?
It's not a matter of “IF”.... It's a matter of “When”.....
I'm sorry but I think the position you are taking is absolutely 100% certified crazy and insane. You are putting your life in the trust of certified on the record lying politicians. It's what I would expect from a suicide cult.
What do you have a death wish or something???
That's what you said and what I responded to. I don't have a issue with preventing travel from the affected countries at a "passport" level. But I fail to see what you would do as the list gets longer. Which is why I agreed with the Admin today that the best course of action is to stop it at the source and put the fire out before it envelopes everyone.
Probably the only time that I ever agreed with the Admin..in 6 years.
Thank you for debunking the myth that shutting down air migration is not a good option. Of course there are other vectors for the disease to enter but air travel is particularly onerous. The people that think if a control measure is not 100% effective as the ultimate solution so it should not be implemented really irritate me ( to put it politely ) I deal with people like this all the time, if it’s not a fully comprehensive, fully integrated, fool proof solution it can’t or shouldn’t be done.
I used to tell my crew “ can’t doesn’t exist in my vocabulary “. Many times a solution is not fully fleshed out, but if the direction and ultimate outcome are known you need to start a process. “A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.
I’m not sure what coldheat’s agenda is here but his post all have the same theme. We won’t be able to effectively mount a defense against ebola on foreign soil if we are distracted by avoidable outbreaks at home. Air travel is perhaps the most important vector because of the time component. other forms of gaining access to the US from Africa allow for too much transit time.
If you suspect you are ebola positive are you going to hop a ship or plane? While some individuals with foresight may well book sea travel human nature say not and the time factor would put them squarely in time obvious symptom timeline upon arrival, whereas if you began to fell poorly you could pop some ibuprofen and arrive in this country in 24 hrs. I’m sure that there’s more than a few folk in Africa with visas just incase.
It makes no sense to AT LEAST suspend air travel, it makes even more sense to Quarantine those from outbreak countries for 21 days.
Thanks! I like what you said and agree with you 99%.
My only slight disagreement was when at the very end you said,
“Quarantine those from outbreak countries for 21 days”
I would quarantine them for 30 days. Just to be absolutely safe.
Works for me
All least half of this country are fools.
Exactly! Military aircraft with professionals to aid in this challenge (tragedy) ONLY, not panicked Ebola victims and their family attempting to escape willy nilly. There is absolutely NO REASON for commercial flights leaving or entering the Hot Zone. Right now there should be only medical ships, C130 (assuming the airports are built for such large aircraft), etc. leaving and entering the Hot Zone to do what needs to be done. PERIOD.
Allowing COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS in and out of the Hot Zone is total BULL SHIT.
I am not the manager of the FAA nor the democrat controlled administration.
Sometimes I wish I was...
I am only offering my opinion as a response to posts asking for the banning of all commercial flights.
I also pointed out that these people are being issued legal visa’s that are honored by the US and issued by the US.
My solution, since we cannot change the current management, was to give them the option of stopping the Visa’s or using a 21 day quarantine.
That’s my position. restated for the umpteenth time.
“We won’t be able to effectively mount a defense against ebola on foreign soil if we are distracted by avoidable outbreaks at home.”
If you are quoting me on that, I suggest you find where I said it.
I have only said that we need to do both. but I do feel that the African solution is in the long run, most critical.
I said nothing about distractions.
I have said that ebola in the US is controllable as opposed to Africa. But apparently that is way too much for people to accept. But I qualify that with the fact that even our system can be over run by too many cases.
I have also warned that if we do not get the African situation under control, we will most certainly have at some point, too many cases to handle.
That is my position. Restated for the umpteenth time.
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