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To: Cold Heat
“What will keep it safe, is the same thing we have been doing for a hundred or so years, and that is intervention at the source of the problem”

We would keep them out of the country and quarantine them if we can. I guess you never read about Elliss Island?

“Like many people I have chatted with over the past several weeks, I would advise you that isolating the US will not in the end, keep our country safe.”

I never said isolate the entire U.S. from the rest of the world. You changed my argument of no flights from countries that have a pandemic of Ebola to the entire work. Then you then debated that. LOL! Nice Delphi method ;-) Yes I know all about that. Now let's get back to my original point.

Using your logic of their is nothing we can do.. Well then the White House should not have a fence or any type of security what so ever. Since someone who is determined could get through. Which is complete rubbish.

No one said there is a perfect system, but any type of security is better than very little to none. It's kind of like locking your doors at night. A burglar may still break through a window, but the locked door does help.

All I'm saying end flights to countries that have a pandemic of Ebola. British Airways is doing that, Air France is doing it and so is Saudi Arabia. We can do that and still attack it at the source.

I'm sorry but I don't buy the “do very little to nothing approach”. At this stage we can still stop it before it gets far worse.

44 posted on 10/03/2014 11:09:11 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1
We would keep them out of the country and quarantine them if we can. I guess you never read about Elliss Island?

My grandparents came through Ellis. I know all about it.

I think I already mentioned it once, but ill do it again. There are NO flights from or directly to the US from West Africa, None are American carriers.

The Dallas guy did not fly directly to the US.

Flights from the airport in the Liberian capital of Monrovia fly to only six destinations -- four in West and Central Africa, one flight to Morocco and one flight to Brussels, Belgium. There are no direct flights into the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport from any of those six destinations, meaning that man had to make at least one more change. So you are wasting your energy...on that topic..

If you tried to ban flights from Belgium or Morroco, they would simply fly or drive to another international airport that has a direct flight to the US and their past travel history would not necessarily follow them. All they would have to do is to not buy their connecting fight tickets in Africa.

46 posted on 10/03/2014 11:22:36 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Enlightened1

“I’m sorry but I don’t buy the “do very little to nothing approach”. At this stage we can still stop it before it gets far worse. “

I said the only way to protect US citizens in the homeland is to put out the fire in Africa. I did not say to do very little. I said we need to put everything we have into it.

All of your thinking seems to me to be related to immigration. The problem, when it comes, is not going to be a immigration issue, It’s going to be a refugee issue, a illegal refugee issue.

To use a comparable event, I would point you to the boat people from Cuba.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

But it will be multiples worse than that, while at the same time we will be fighting a global financial collapse.

None of this can be prevented by sealing the Mexican or Canadian land borders..

The problem...this particular problem, is not here, it is in Africa.


47 posted on 10/03/2014 11:40:09 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Enlightened1

Thank you for debunking the myth that shutting down air migration is not a good option. Of course there are other vectors for the disease to enter but air travel is particularly onerous. The people that think if a control measure is not 100% effective as the ultimate solution so it should not be implemented really irritate me ( to put it politely ) I deal with people like this all the time, if it’s not a fully comprehensive, fully integrated, fool proof solution it can’t or shouldn’t be done.

I used to tell my crew “ can’t doesn’t exist in my vocabulary “. Many times a solution is not fully fleshed out, but if the direction and ultimate outcome are known you need to start a process. “A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.

I’m not sure what coldheat’s agenda is here but his post all have the same theme. We won’t be able to effectively mount a defense against ebola on foreign soil if we are distracted by avoidable outbreaks at home. Air travel is perhaps the most important vector because of the time component. other forms of gaining access to the US from Africa allow for too much transit time.

If you suspect you are ebola positive are you going to hop a ship or plane? While some individuals with foresight may well book sea travel human nature say not and the time factor would put them squarely in time obvious symptom timeline upon arrival, whereas if you began to fell poorly you could pop some ibuprofen and arrive in this country in 24 hrs. I’m sure that there’s more than a few folk in Africa with visas just incase.

It makes no sense to AT LEAST suspend air travel, it makes even more sense to Quarantine those from outbreak countries for 21 days.


54 posted on 10/04/2014 5:34:16 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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