Thanks Pollster1. Was reading something about his (probably in Pop Arch) and it seems to be a pretty big deal. Red Paints ping.
Posted on 09/17/2014 11:19:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The modern European gene pool was formed when three ancient populations mixed with one another within the last 7,000 years, Nature journal reports.
Blue-eyed, swarthy hunters mingled with brown-eyed, pale skinned farmers as the latter swept into Europe from the Near East.
But another, mysterious population with Siberian affinities also contributed to the genetic landscape of the continent.
The findings are based analysis of the genomes of nine ancient Europeans.
Agriculture originated in the Near East - in modern Syria, Iraq and Israel - before expanding into Europe around 7,500 years ago.
Multiple lines of evidence suggested this new way of life was spread not just via the exchange of ideas, but by a wave of migrants, who interbred with the indigenous European hunter-gatherers they encountered on the way.
But assumptions about European origins were based largely on the genetic patterns of living people. The science of analysing genomic DNA from ancient bones has put some of the prevailing theories to the test, throwing up a few surprises.
Genomic DNA contains the biochemical instructions for building a human, and resides within the nucleus of our cells.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
Thanks Pollster1. Was reading something about his (probably in Pop Arch) and it seems to be a pretty big deal. Red Paints ping.
Blue-eyed Swarthy Hunter Ping!
” A computer which accurately predicted who would win the 1952 election? Amazing!”
Dwight Eisenhower vs Adlai Stevenson
The hero of WWII vs a pointy headed intellectual.
Not a tough call.
I am still in shock after discovering my family were probably frogs from Normandy.
I was feeling oppressed so I did some family history stuff to see how many of my family were oppressed serfs, who were lashed and starved to feed the fat bellies of their Norman over lords.
I was hoping to find a few Hung, Drawn, and Quartered or at least hung, No luck, Gentry in South Wales.
So now I can feel oppressed by being descended from oppressors, it really sucks being a Blue eyed devil.
Normans aren’t quite “frogs,” lol. They’re Norsemen (Vikings) mixed with Frankish (French). If you’re Norman your people likely go back to at least the tenth century in England, and as they more or less introduced the practice of using surnames in England to individuals other than nobility, you may actually be able to find them. Nevermind the Frenchified “de-This” and “de-That,” most dropped the use of it over time.
Mine were on the other side at Hastings. Got one by what is presumed to be my surname on the Roll of Battle Abbey and one by a maternal surname. Not really any way to prove relation, though. The plague years, resulting poor records, people moving around. The trail went cold long ago, 1400’s is as far back as I’ve ever been able to prove with any of them.
The interesting thing is that the Winton was dropped and became Anglicized to its present spelling, Little Bill, in the 1200’s for some reason or another.
The Welsh book of Lesser Nobility and Gentry was a Guide when I was looking to be oppressed.
Another interesting thing is that we were in the Staple, wool, as merchants it was easier to draw lines due to appreniship records.
Every Name was checked at least three times bottom up, top down, multiple marriages were a problem, along with a few kids on the left hand.
Must be nice. I’ve got another that’s more strongly presumed to be my paternal surname listed in the Inquisition of 1185 in Essex, same for the Domesday Book. Can’t prove any of it though. So frustrating I’ve given up, at least for the time being.
Most of my ancestors are from the north. My father is black Irish and German. My mother, Irish and German.
RE: My father is black Irish and German.
How did an Irishman become black?
Black Irish[edit]
Black Irish is an ambiguous term sometimes used (mainly outside Ireland) as a reference to a dark-haired phenotype appearing in people of Irish origin.[31] However, dark hair in people of Irish descent is common, although darker skin complexions appear less frequently.[32] One popular theory suggests the Black Irish are descendents of survivors of the Spanish Armada, despite research discrediting such claims.[33] In his documentary series Atlantean, Bob Quinn explores an alternative ‘Iberian’ hypothesis, proposing the existence of an ancient sea-trading route skirting the Atlantic coast from North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula to regions such as Connemara. While preferring the term “The Atlantean Irish”, Quinn’s reference to certain phenotypical characteristics (within elements of the Irish populace and diaspora) as possible evidence of a previous Hibernian-Iberian (and possibly Berber) admixture mirrors common descriptions of the Black Irish.[34]
Source: Wikipedia
Surnames are new to Mongolians as well.
Well, I wouldn’t exactly call 10th c. new, but later than some others, yes.
Mongolians do not use surnames in the way that most Westerners, Chinese or Japanese do. Since the socialist period, patronymics — at that time called ovog,[10] now known as etsgiin ner — are used instead of a surname. If the father’s name is not legally established (i.e. by marriage) or altogether unknown, a matronymic is used. The patro- or matronymic is written before the given name.
Therefore, if a man with given name Tsakhia has a son, and gives the son the name Elbegdorj, the son’s full name, as it appears in passports and the like, is Tsakhia Elbegdorj. Very frequently, as in texts and speech, the patronymic is given in genitive case, i.e. Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj, with (in this case) -giin being the genitive suffix. However, the patronymic is rather insignificant in everyday use and usually just abbreviated to an initial - Ts. Elbegdorj. People are normally just referred to and addressed by their given name (Elbegdorj guai - ‘Mr. Elbegdorj’), and the patronymic is only used to distinguish two people with a common given name. Even then, they are usually just distinguished by their initials, not by the full patronymic. There are cases in which a matronymic has been legally bestowed for one or the other reason, while a patronymic is known. If the patronymic is to be conveyed anyway, this can take a form like Altan Choi ovogt Dumaagiin Sodnom with the patronymic preceding the word ovog that takes the suffix -t ‘having’.
The basic differences between Mongolian and Anglo-Saxon names, in connection with trying to fit Mongolian names into foreign schemata, frequently lead to confusion. For example, O. Gündegmaa, a Mongolian shooter, is often incorrectly referred to as Otryad, i.e. by the (given) name of her father.
From Wikipedia.
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