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Using a Tactic Unseen in a Century, Countries Cordon Off Ebola-Racked Areas
New York Times ^ | AUG. 12, 2014 | DONALD G. McNEIL

Posted on 08/13/2014 10:06:22 AM PDT by Cats Pajamas

Using a Tactic Unseen in a Century, Countries Cordon Off Ebola-Racked Areas

The Ebola outbreak in West Africa is so out of control that governments there have revived a disease-fighting tactic not used in nearly a century: the “cordon sanitaire,” in which a line is drawn around the infected area and no one is allowed out.

Cordons, common in the medieval era of the Black Death, have not been seen since the border between Poland and Russia was closed in 1918 to stop typhus from spreading west. They have the potential to become brutal and inhumane. Centuries ago, in their most extreme form, everyone within the boundaries was left to die or survive, until the outbreak ended.

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KEYWORDS: cordon; ebola; ebolaoutbreak
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1 posted on 08/13/2014 10:06:22 AM PDT by Cats Pajamas
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To: Cats Pajamas

any update on how many are dead now?


2 posted on 08/13/2014 10:08:15 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: Cats Pajamas

Change!


3 posted on 08/13/2014 10:08:40 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Cats Pajamas

This is what “change” looks like.


4 posted on 08/13/2014 10:09:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We can only Hope.


5 posted on 08/13/2014 10:15:37 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Cats Pajamas
Just a dress rehearsal for what's coming to America. Cordons would serve elite interests well, helping to "control" the population.

RESIST.

6 posted on 08/13/2014 10:17:16 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
Ping...

A link to this thread has been posted on the Ebola Surveillance Thread

7 posted on 08/13/2014 10:19:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Sorry, didn’t see it. My bad.


8 posted on 08/13/2014 10:40:14 AM PDT by Cats Pajamas (Wonder if Rush will mention cankles and her rent a dogs first thing?)
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To: Cats Pajamas
Cordons, common in the medieval era of the Black Death, have not been seen since the border between Poland and Russia was closed in 1918 to stop typhus from spreading west. They have the potential to become brutal and inhumane.

It's unfortunate, but sometimes that is necessary in order to save a much larger number of people. Just like amputation of a man's limb to save his life.

9 posted on 08/13/2014 10:44:26 AM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2

Not surprisingly, in full blown epidemics the groups who take the biggest hit from the disease include:

1) The sick with other problems, the mentally ill, and the poor.

2) Those who minister to the sick and dispose the dead.

3) Those who smuggle and those who break quarantine going in to the quarantined area.

4) Those who attend religious gatherings hoping to pray the disease away.

5) The unlucky.


10 posted on 08/13/2014 11:07:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Cats Pajamas

This strongly implies we have a much higher rate of infection than what is being reported.

Unfortunately, it also means things are going to get a lot works. Cordons can work, but they often don’t. It concentrates the disease, and potentially infects those guarding the cordon. It also gives a high motivation for people to flee (in order to not be locked up with sick people) which spreads the disease.


11 posted on 08/13/2014 11:12:51 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cats Pajamas

Hope they’re more motivated than our BP.


12 posted on 08/13/2014 11:47:46 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Mr. K

As of yesterday, over 1000, with 1850 cases outstanding. This represents, according to congressional testimony from Samaritan’s Purse, roughly 25% of what is actually happening in West Africa.

What is NOW happening in the Middle East, is unknown at this point.

I’m spreadsheeting what is coming from WHO, and trying to determine an R0. The numbers are cooked. They don’t make sense. As an estimate, in West Africa, I’d put the R0 at about 2.5 to 3.

There are dozens of bodies in the streets in four different countries in West Africa.

It ain’t pretty. How’d Obama shoot today? He fix that hook?


13 posted on 08/13/2014 1:19:26 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs ((What is the R0 of Ebola Guinea?))
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

You forgot #6. Everybody else.


14 posted on 08/13/2014 3:03:32 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68; backwoods-engineer

Epidemic quarantines are not a particularly good means of control, or really, there are far easier and more effective means of control than quarantines.

As far as epidemic-like control measures, there is only one international control means that applies to biological, chemical and nuclear scenarios. It was invoked by the Soviet Union a few times, and once in Italy. It amounts to building a fence around the area, optionally outprocessing everyone within, and abandoning the place.

The Italian incident, the “Seveso disaster”, is best known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seveso_disaster

I’m not sure if the Soviets activated it after Chernobyl, as it was such a grand disaster that there was no need for international notification.

The problem with using a national epidemic as a means of control is that quarantines are under the control of doctors, who while they instantly have authority over the police and even military personnel, are focused on the disease, not the control measures. This is the case even when they are acting in their most authoritarian manner.

And this tends to fly in the face of political control, so even an ordinary person can tell the difference.


15 posted on 08/13/2014 3:52:14 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Quarantines work. But in many countries a small bribe or hiring a smuggler makes them useless. In traditional Africa, those with infectious diseases like smallpox were put in a hut outside the village, and food and water left at the door. If after so many days the person was disease free, they were left out. If no one ate the food for a couple of days, they burned down the hut.

a lot of people are dying of non ebola disease because they are afraid of going to a hospital. But when we had a cholera outbreak, we were told to put all cases elsewhere. We had no cases, thankGod, but a doc from another hospital used the local gradeschool for this.

and the smallpox scare after 911 had plans drawn up for a similar use of school for giving vaccine while using other public buildings for quarantine.

16 posted on 08/13/2014 6:29:33 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Cats Pajamas; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
Eeeee-bolllll-aaaaaa ping!

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

17 posted on 08/13/2014 6:44:16 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: LadyDoc

The horrific potential for H5N1 resulted in some very good ideas, such as cities and towns setting up a system to do regular robo-calls to every telephone and cellphone in the city.

Providing multilingual information as well as having a push button system to gather information. For example “press 1” if nobody in your household is currently sick, “2” if one or more people are sick, “3” if someone has died and needs to be safely transported, “4” if you are in need of food or water, “5” if you need essential medicine, “6” to report dead animals in your area, etc.

Another idea is to encourage stores to have free public hand sanitizer dispensers, plastic gloves and ear loop masks at their front doors, to reduce the possibility of a sick person spreading contamination inside their store.


18 posted on 08/13/2014 7:53:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 08/13/2014 7:58:34 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cats Pajamas

I know this is picky, and OT, but shouldn’t the word in the title have been “Wracked” not “Racked”? Doesn’t the NYTimes know anything of the English language? Don’t they have editors?

I feel like I’m living in the 1500’s when there was at least an excuse for not knowing spelling and grammar, because they hadn’t been standardized yet.

Back to serious topics like death and illness...


20 posted on 08/14/2014 2:00:08 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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