Posted on 04/07/2014 1:36:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Edited on 04/07/2014 1:41:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Darren Aronofsky
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Nearly all the bible has been borrowed from previous cultures. That should be no surprise to anyone.
So yes, it could be interpreted as “borrowed” from previous cultures, though that is not exactly how I would put it. And I believe in the age after the Church age, there just may be a yet more complete picture presented to those alive at the time of God and His relationship with man.
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.”
and “Love your neighbor as yourself”
It is so simple, and it is my belief that is exactly how simple being a follower of God was originally. That's why nothing else is mentioned, because there was nothing else to borrow or steal from other religions.
Our relationship with the one true God was simple, and remained so for 1000’s of years, until that simplicity was distorted and perverted by those who demanded something more complex.
I agree. BTW, love is two things:
1. A decision.
2. An action.
when you actually read the constitution... it's so simple.. and actually very short.
it's men and judges that have distorted the document beyond recognition ignoring what it clearly says and reading into it things it never said.
...The Seven Noahide Commandments comprise the most ancient of all religious doctrines, for they were given to Adam, the First Man, on the day of his creation.
Wondrously, the Seven Noahide Commandments remain the newest and most uncharted of all religious doctrines. Humanity has managed to keep them new by ignoring them throughout history.
But now, in these latter days when the footsteps of the Messiah can be heard by all who will listen closely, the Seven Noahide Commandments must finally be studied and observed by all the people of all the nations...
Yep. The jews did it before Jesus, and the church does it now. When I even mention the thought that the fate of the lost is permanent death, I get so much vitrol from the other side, it’s disturbing. And the logical translation gymnastics they go through to explain their position would be laughable if it were not so serious. On a side note, I used to be one of them until I actually studied the subject.
It’s really very simple: eternal life vs death/destruction/perish/etc. It’s all over the bible. People fail to really grasp the contrasting conditions and the actual words used in the bible, both in modern translations and the original greek or hebrew.
Yeah obviously liberal Bible-deniers aren’t the deepest of thinkers..
That would be nearly impossible as there was no means of mass communication or cultural exchange that would have introduced these stories at the time they were written. Not to mention, the oral tradition is far older.And yet, artifacts from ancient Israel have been found in ancient China and vice versa. Trade still occurred over long distances - and if trade did, then culture did.
The Black Sea Flood HypothesisI've always liked the one of the flooding of the Mediterranean Basin myself, with the Gibralter Wall cracking and flooding.
...representations of Noah, a prophet of God in the Koran, are considered blasphemous. Such images “provoke the feelings of believers and are forbidden in Islam and a clear violation of Islamic law,” read a fatwa issued by Cairo’s al-Azhar University, one of the foremost institutions of Sunni Islam. Egypt has not banned the film, but Indonesia, Qatar, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates have.The title refers to the fact that the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest surviving written version of the myth of the worldwide flood. But the above snippet is the buried lead.
More to the point, many cultures preserved some kind of folkloric version of a great flood event (and the idea of this coming from the bursting of a great ice dam somewhere in Eurasia does seem most likely), and after many dozens of generations some of these flood stories wound up incorporated into much later, otherwise unrelated religions.
The Black Sea flood *could* be the source of a good many of the surviving flood stories from the surrounding region, but the Mediterranean flood was over 5 million years ago — no human witnesses.
I just finished rereading “Noah’s Flood” by Ryan and Pitman; the reason I’d started it again was that I’m a little under the weather right now and it was within reach. :’)
Exactly my point. Many unrelated religions incorporate the flood story because it was a universal experience caused by the sudden end of the ice age. Nobody “stole” any “myth” from anybody else.
The Mediterranean flood was much earlier than the Black Sea flood. Two different events.
You mean like with Pinechas? That's funny; I thought he was a hero.
So, yes, don’t except public outcries from Jewish groups about what is done to our scriptures.
So that explains it. However, the loud public outcries whenever noses or banks are mentioned seems to illustrate a lack of proportion.
I’m not saying it is correct or good behavior; just what is the behavior.
On things theological, Jews have been publically quiet for 1500 years.
Hence:
> the Mediterranean flood was over 5 million years ago — no human witnesses.
I believe we’re saying pretty much the same thing, I was pointing out that the incorporation of flood myth into religions must have taken place much later because there aren’t any religions that old.
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.7.4#
Epic of Gilgamesh online versions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh#External_links
You seemed to be saying that this behavior had been specifically mandated by CHaZa"L. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.
On things theological, Jews have been publically quiet for 1500 years.
And what has been the result? G-d and theology are associated with Xianity, anti-G-d with anti-Xianity. And this has only made the Xians' arrogance grow even greater than it was. "We're the one true religion because all the Forces of E--vil hate us!"
Ever since the eighteenth century "enlightenment" Jews have been trying to get non-Jews to subscribe to some sort of universal, objective, and yet totally secular legal system that will apply to and protect everyone (on the assumption that all religious beliefs are inherently ethnic and subjectivive). Considering the "weight" and unique nature of the Jewish soul, the results have been disastrous. Just imagine the results if Jews had taken advantage of their new freedom to teach the world about the Noachide Laws!
I have one final observation: While this is no longer true, for a few decades after World War II the charge of anti-Semitism was the Ultimate Weapon and the Ultimate Defensive Shield. It was employed innumerable times to defend Jewish noses, Jewish bankers, Jewish entertainers, and Jewish liberal Democrat politicians, but not one time was it ever employed to defend the Jewish G-d or Jewish Torah. Does this make the slightest bit of sense to you? What do you think will be the punishment for those who could have made HaShem and the Torah unassailable, but refused to do so, defending everything else instead?
I don't doubt that I am often an embarrassment to Jewish FReepers, but until I am ordered to cease in the name of Halakhic obedience I shall continue to confront stupid, idiotic Bible-hating atheists who think the TaNa"KH is the property of Xians and defend it from them without sanctifying the name of a heretic by doing so.
Now 'Baccy, you know this is not the traditional understanding. The Torah has no "source." It was written in its entirety by G-d before the universe(s) was/were created ("974 generations" according to the midrash) and was in its entirety dictated to Moses letter-for-letter. Even the ultimate rationalist, RaMBa"M, required the latter belief as absolutely fundamental to Judaism. As for the "limited flood" argument, that's just another nineteenth century liberal Xian theory that, so far as I know, has absolutely no precedent in Jewish tradition.
You should really read Rabbi Shlomo Rotenberg's Toledot `Am `Olam, or at least consult the Seder `Olam.
Sometimes I worry about you.
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