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To: ethical
Problems with this report:
It is not possible to diagnose death by “cardiac arrhythmia”. It is something that can only be measured in a live person and there is no evidence of it after death. If someone had a medical history of cardiac arrhythmia it could be a good guess but a guess none the less.
That's absolute crap. Cardiac arrthymia has been able to be measured post-mortem for decades now, especially if it involves ventricular fibrillation. Only 6% of sudden cardiac deaths are unable to be explained, and advances in molecular biology and the use of post-mortem cardiac MRIs are taking care of that problem.
Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., says that his sister was healthy, that she had no heart problems and that she was not a stressed or fearful person. He said that she was a very calm person and had to be given her job. His personal knowledge of his own sister directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion.
I'll take the medical examiner's professional opinion over what some brother thinks. I'm a raging stressball. My siblings and parents think I'm the calmest person in the world because I internalize all of it. They would be surprised by the heart medication I take.
*‘Autopsy report says Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” after plane crash’.
This could actually be determined by the level of adrenaline and types and amounts of enzymes present in the body after death. Secondly, being a calm person with no known heart problems doesn't prevent the onset of SADS. See several young athletes who have died of that problem.
ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves
Five foot waves are relatively calm? Has this person every been floating in the ocean in five foot waves? They're nuts if they think it's 'calm'!
. This is an autopsy report? Does this sound like a systematic external and internal examination of a dead body to determine if any abnormalities are present and are the cause of death? Where are the words that actually tell us the condition of her body and health? Why are the emotional, speculative words pushed to the forefront but the technical, factual descriptions are kept hidden? And why is this autopsy report filled with emotion and speculation in the first place?
Because it's not an autopsy report? It's a summary of an autopsy report, done by a journalist who wants good copy. It has no official bearing whatsoever.
The AP did not share a copy of the report which was said to be heavily redacted
Correct. They are forbidden by law to do so. You have to request it yourself.
is important to note that attorney Orly Taitz made a public records request for the autopsy report on December 18, 2013 and has never received a copy....Why did the AP get a copy but not Taitz? It is a public record subject to Hawaii’s Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. I requested one myself but seriously doubt it will be forthcoming . Is it only released to people who will beat the drum that Loretta’s death was caused by fear & hyperventilation?
No, it's because the autopsy report is not released just on request to anybody. Per their own website for the Honolulu Medical Examiner: There is a five dollar ($5.00) processing fee. Please enclose a check for the amount made payable to Department of the Medical Examiner. A copy of the autopsy report will be mailed to you when it is completed. Please understand that, occasionally, final reports may take as much as six (6) to eight (8) weeks to be completed. I'm betting that neither Orly nor you paid the five bucks.
As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash so how can the Medical Examiner or the Maui Police Department rule Fuddy’s death “accidental”?
Becuase they have found no evidence that it's intentional. That's what you do when don't find intentional evidence of murder.
However, I would wager in this case that most Medical Examiners would have gone with, “manner of death undetermined”.
And you'd be wrong, because you don't know what you're talking about.
1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?
It is impossible for me to say, primarily because the "little we've seen of it" is not enough to base an opinion on one way or the other. I'd have to see the actual autopsy report, not some summary a report jibed up.
2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?
Depends on the chemicals and enzymes present in Loretta Fuddy at death, as fear is not something always detectable by the eye.
3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?
Depending on the biological factors, yes or no. Hearsay by a brother don't mean squat.

Shoddy reasoning. Needs a lot more medical and scientific info involved and not just pure speculation.
35 posted on 04/01/2014 12:36:08 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: GAFreedom
Five foot waves are relatively calm? Has this person every been floating in the ocean in five foot waves? They're nuts if they think it's 'calm'!

Okay, I'm nuts, but that is calm for the ocean. They are swells, not breakers, and as they go through, objects and people on the surface bob up and down with them. Since the five feet are measured from the bottom of the trough to the top of the swell, and the wavelengths are fairly long, the effect is not as abrupt as you might think.

37 posted on 04/01/2014 2:00:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: GAFreedom
GAfreedom Problems with this report as you see it: That's absolute crap. Cardiac arrthymia has been able to be measured post-mortem for decades now, especially if it involves ventricular fibrillation.

Several medical sources disagree with your statement and report that cardiac arrthymia is one cause of death that can not be confirmed by autopsy particularly absent any history of it.

Concerning what Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., said about his sister’s health, lack of heart trouble, calm personality you say: I'll take the medical examiner's professional opinion over what some brother thinks.

You have not seen the medical examiner’s professional opinion. Only snippets of her report which contain none of the professional opinion stuff except the one phrase, ‘cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation”. And part of the medical examiner’s job, particularly when trying to assign cardiac arrhythmia as a cause of death, would be to interview people who knew the deceased to see if there was any history of heart trouble or anxiety problems. And review her medical charts.

This could actually be determined by the level of adrenaline and types and amounts of enzymes present in the body after death.

These results would need to be seen and should be released.

Five foot waves are relatively calm? Has this person every been floating in the ocean in five foot waves? They're nuts if they think it's 'calm'!

The wave quote was presented as a direct quote from the autopsy report by the medical examiner. You say the details released were not from the autopsy report. How do you know? You say you have not seen it. And the quotes were not presented as a summery but as snippets of direct quotes from the report.

You say the newspaper reports have no official bearing whatsoever. So then the cause of death as reported in the newspapers has no official bearing?

And why did the AP get a copy of the autopsy but not Orly Taitz? You say,

it's because the autopsy report is not released just on request to anybody.

According to Hawaii law they are public records available to the public. That is why it was released to the AP. And any requester would be informed by the public records officer of the cost.

As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash. You say it can be ruled accidental because:

they have found no evidence that it’s intentional. That’s what you do when don’t find intentional evidence of murder.

All I am saying is that if the medical examiner would wait for lab results before making a determination of ‘death by accident” you have to acknowledge that a piece of the necessary information is still out there: the cause of the crash.

1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?

It is impossible for me to say, primarily because the "little we've seen of it" is not enough to base an opinion on one way or the other. I'd have to see the actual autopsy report, not some summary a report jibed up.

Of course we would all like to see a copy of the actual report. But the descriptions I included of the report are represented as direct quotes taken from the autopsy report and it does not sound like any autopsy report I have read .

2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?

Depends on the chemicals and enzymes present in Loretta Fuddy at death, as fear is not something always detectable by the eye.

If Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” and “hyperventilating” the pilot and passenger Hollestein would not have said she appeared fine and calm. Those two things are detectable by the eye and would have been heard on the video.

3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?

Depending on the biological factors, yes or no. Hearsay by a brother don't mean squat.

What the family says does mean squat particularly when it comes to death brought on by “stress” and an anxiety filled personality. They knew her and her brother said she was very calm in stressful situations. And you don’t know that she did not share her medical history with him. Family members tend to do that.

42 posted on 04/01/2014 9:14:54 AM PDT by ethical
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To: GAFreedom

Orly Taitz asked to see the report for herself and they won’t give it to her. They DID give it to the media shills that have already committed ridiculous measures to cover on this - including highly editing the Puentes video to hide what happened, pixelating those videos as soon as they found out somebody was looking more closely at them, and photoshopping still photos to make a couple of 4 (IIRC) frame “videos” from the funeral.

Does it bother you that they will only let their accomplices see the actual autopsy? $5 is below the amount that is routinely waived in UIPA requests.

You talk about molecular biology and post-mortem cardiac MRI’s. If those are the ways to diagnost ventricular arrhythmia, then wouldn’t you expect the autopsy to talk about that rather than about Fuddy seeming afraid? That is the whole point of this article. Adrenaline levels. Enzymes. Yeah, that’s the kind of evidence a person would expect in an autopsy. Medical history. That’s what we need to see. That is all the media people should have been ABLE to see in the autopsy. The fact that the autopsy included all these apologetics to try to show that their finding was plausible - for the media to have anything to report like that - is problematic.

But then there are other things that are problematic too. For instance, Maui County has no county coroner. The police chief is the acting coroner. And the Primary Information Officer for the police chief - Lt William Juan - was quoted the morning after the crash saying that Fuddy’s body had been retrieved from the wreckage. This is the acting coroner - the guy who was supposed to have all the official reports and have the real scoop on what happened, as well as the medical records, etc. And he was claiming that the body had been trapped in the fuselage.

The USCG reported at 5:17 that there was one person in critical condition, another in a USCG helicopter, and 7 on shore. At 5:21 it was reported that there was one dead, one in a USCG helicopter, and 7 on shore. The notes immediately after that said there was one dead and 8 in non-critical condition. So within 4 minutes they went from one critical to one dead, and all 8 others were non-critical. Tell me who that “critical” person was. The MCFD report said at 5:21 they were trying to decide whether to take the “critical” person to Maui or to Honolulu. If this was somebody who had been dead in the water for an hour or so and just needed to be declared dead by a doctor, why discuss taking her to Honolulu or Maui to be declared dead? If she was declared dead 2 minutes later there must have been somebody there who was able to declare her dead, so why the whole deal with her being in critical condition?

Add to all that the fact that during the time that the Maui County police chief was trying to come up with a cause of death for Fuddy, Michelle Obama suddenly decided she was going to hang out in Maui with Oprah - together with some newsbabe, Valerie “our enemies will pay” Jarrett, and Mrs. Eric “I will protect MY people” Holder - who were getting so much security from the Maui Police Dept that the residents were complaining they couldn’t do anything because of all the police cars around. Michelle Obama wouldn’t let on how long she was staying, until the day that the police chief announced the cause of death he had decided on. On that day Michelle Obama’s schedule finally indicated a DC appearance scheduled for 3 days later (IIRC; I’d have to try to find my documents to solidify those dates).

WAY, WAY more to this autopsy than meets the eye.


58 posted on 04/02/2014 7:56:37 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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