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To: GAFreedom
GAfreedom Problems with this report as you see it: That's absolute crap. Cardiac arrthymia has been able to be measured post-mortem for decades now, especially if it involves ventricular fibrillation.

Several medical sources disagree with your statement and report that cardiac arrthymia is one cause of death that can not be confirmed by autopsy particularly absent any history of it.

Concerning what Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., said about his sister’s health, lack of heart trouble, calm personality you say: I'll take the medical examiner's professional opinion over what some brother thinks.

You have not seen the medical examiner’s professional opinion. Only snippets of her report which contain none of the professional opinion stuff except the one phrase, ‘cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation”. And part of the medical examiner’s job, particularly when trying to assign cardiac arrhythmia as a cause of death, would be to interview people who knew the deceased to see if there was any history of heart trouble or anxiety problems. And review her medical charts.

This could actually be determined by the level of adrenaline and types and amounts of enzymes present in the body after death.

These results would need to be seen and should be released.

Five foot waves are relatively calm? Has this person every been floating in the ocean in five foot waves? They're nuts if they think it's 'calm'!

The wave quote was presented as a direct quote from the autopsy report by the medical examiner. You say the details released were not from the autopsy report. How do you know? You say you have not seen it. And the quotes were not presented as a summery but as snippets of direct quotes from the report.

You say the newspaper reports have no official bearing whatsoever. So then the cause of death as reported in the newspapers has no official bearing?

And why did the AP get a copy of the autopsy but not Orly Taitz? You say,

it's because the autopsy report is not released just on request to anybody.

According to Hawaii law they are public records available to the public. That is why it was released to the AP. And any requester would be informed by the public records officer of the cost.

As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash. You say it can be ruled accidental because:

they have found no evidence that it’s intentional. That’s what you do when don’t find intentional evidence of murder.

All I am saying is that if the medical examiner would wait for lab results before making a determination of ‘death by accident” you have to acknowledge that a piece of the necessary information is still out there: the cause of the crash.

1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?

It is impossible for me to say, primarily because the "little we've seen of it" is not enough to base an opinion on one way or the other. I'd have to see the actual autopsy report, not some summary a report jibed up.

Of course we would all like to see a copy of the actual report. But the descriptions I included of the report are represented as direct quotes taken from the autopsy report and it does not sound like any autopsy report I have read .

2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?

Depends on the chemicals and enzymes present in Loretta Fuddy at death, as fear is not something always detectable by the eye.

If Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” and “hyperventilating” the pilot and passenger Hollestein would not have said she appeared fine and calm. Those two things are detectable by the eye and would have been heard on the video.

3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?

Depending on the biological factors, yes or no. Hearsay by a brother don't mean squat.

What the family says does mean squat particularly when it comes to death brought on by “stress” and an anxiety filled personality. They knew her and her brother said she was very calm in stressful situations. And you don’t know that she did not share her medical history with him. Family members tend to do that.

42 posted on 04/01/2014 9:14:54 AM PDT by ethical
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To: ethical

“In the water, Fuddy held hands with Health Department deputy director Keith Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal.

“He recounted how he said he helped Loretta into her life jacket and he held her hand for some time,” the Kalaupapa priest said last month. “They were all floating together and she let go and there was no response from her.”
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140113_Health_Director_Loretta_Fuddy_died_of_cardiac_arrhythimia.html?id=240014161

“Emotional stress as a trigger in sudden cardiac death.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18827773


43 posted on 04/01/2014 12:00:53 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: ethical
Several medical sources disagree with your statement and report that cardiac arrthymia is one cause of death that can not be confirmed by autopsy particularly absent any history of it. What medical sources? Name them. Every medical examiner out there says different. I'll need some citation on that.
You have not seen the medical examiner’s professional opinion.
We have what the AP reported as the medical examiner's professional opinion. Unless the AP is lying, of course.
nd part of the medical examiner’s job, particularly when trying to assign cardiac arrhythmia as a cause of death, would be to interview people who knew the deceased to see if there was any history of heart trouble or anxiety problems. And review her medical charts.
50 years ago, maybe. Today, medical examiners don't interview people who knew the deceased, except if they need to gain access to medical records and need the permission of those people to do so. It can be assumed that Loretta's medical charts were examined, as those are routinely requested in autopsies for review.
These results would need to be seen and should be released.
Pay 5 bucks and get a copy of the autopsy report. You're free to do so and then publish it all over internet. You say the details released were not from the autopsy report. Nope, I didn't say that at all. I said that what we've seen is what a journalist has summarized from the autopsy report. That's not the same as details released were not from the autopsy report. Work on your reading comprehension, son.
So then the cause of death as reported in the newspapers has no official bearing?
Not to me, it don't.
And why did the AP get a copy of the autopsy but not Orly Taitz?
Probably because they paid the 5 bucks and Stingy Taitz gave one of her imperial legal orders without paying. She still hasn't paid that fine she incurred here in GA.
According to Hawaii law they are public records available to the public. That is why it was released to the AP. And any requester would be informed by the public records officer of the cost.
1) Yes, they are public records available to the public.
2) Those specific public records are publicly available at $5 a pop.
3) I'm pretty sure the AP got it because they paid the $5.
4) Obviously you haven't done much work with public records people in the government. If they get a written request for a record without whatever money they're supposed to get with the request, they just trash that sucker. They don't tell you anything. It's just file 13ed.
All I am saying is that if the medical examiner would wait for lab results before making a determination of ‘death by accident” you have to acknowledge that a piece of the necessary information is still out there: the cause of the crash.
That would only be material a) if the crash caused her death, which it didn't, and b) if there was some evidence that the crash was caused intentionally. If there is no evidence that the crash was caused intentionally, then even if they don't know what caused the crash, it's going to be labeled as accidental death.
But the descriptions I included of the report are represented as direct quotes taken from the autopsy report and it does not sound like any autopsy report I have read .
Then pay the money, get you a copy of it, and come back to me with an analysis you've made of the actual report itself.
If Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” and “hyperventilating” the pilot and passenger Hollestein would not have said she appeared fine and calm.
No, I disagree entirely. I can look fine and calm and still be afraid and hyperventilating. You'd never know I was if you were looking at me. And if I can do it, so can Loretta.
Those two things are detectable by the eye and would have been heard on the video.
No, not always. It's not always detectable by the eye. Look at all those athletes who just keel over from SADS. One minute they're perfect, next minute they're dead.
They knew her and her brother said she was very calm in stressful situations.
Sure, just like my family knows me as real calm in stressful situations. My family don't know me at all, really.
And you don’t know that she did not share her medical history with him. Family members tend to do that.
I only share my medical problems with my wife. I keep them secret from everyone else, including my mother. If my wife and I died in a car accident, no one but my doctor would know my medical problems.

Some people are just real private, you know.
51 posted on 04/01/2014 7:26:43 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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