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The car that runs on AIR: Peugot reveals plans for hybrid set to hit the streets next year
Daily Mail ^ | February 26, 2014 | Mark Prigg

Posted on 02/26/2014 1:07:24 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian

Peugeot has revealed plans to begin selling the first air powered car next year.

Based on a Peugeot 208, it will combine a normal engine with a radical new system that runs on compressed air.

The firm says the car could reduce petrol bills by 80% when driven in cities.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
You do understand that Ubama's war on coal is going to cause electricity prices to "necessarily skyrocket," right?

Shifting to electricity is not going to help anything.

101 posted on 02/26/2014 7:27:38 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian; All
" Sounds like a better idea that a Chevy Volt!"



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102 posted on 02/26/2014 7:32:38 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: NoCmpromiz

See what happens when government has too much power? They pass laws that hold back progress ;)


103 posted on 02/26/2014 7:35:48 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Zathras

Cylinder needs periodic inspections.


And internal combustion motors don’t? Going by the comments about this, we should just come out and say we oppose anything that reduces a cars reliance on oil/gasoline.


104 posted on 02/26/2014 7:37:08 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: Organic Panic

As an accountant, I won’t, can’t delve into engineering, though I have some knowledge from decades ago when I worked for a while in power engineering. It does seem that some people, with more knowledge of the subject, like Per Tunestal, from Lund University, see some potential in the science. Peugeot seems to think that they can make something more efficient. IIRC, I/C engines are only 20-21% efficient. If they have developed a way to capture some of those losses, the only question is, at least for is, will this recapture outweigh the additional costs (weight and $s) of the additional hardware required?

Electric hybrids do not work, in my opinion, because of the costs to build the batteries, the effect of heavy metal and chemicals on the workers who make them. Here, I am concerned about potential fires on board, chemical spills, accidents where there is an extra 600-1,000 pounds of battery hitting another car, danger to first responders from spills and high voltage. Upon disposal, what is to be done with the battery, how to recycle it and the cost of replacement. Too many negatives with these. It would seem that the technology for the compressed air hybrid should be much cheaper to build, so the savings realized do not need to be as high as those claimed by electric hybrid vendors.

If Peugeot can mafe it work, more power to them!


105 posted on 02/26/2014 7:52:40 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Well, he does have to pay for NASA's 'outreach' to Muslims, after all! </sarc>

I live in Alberta. I don't see 0.00's strategy effecting AB very much. We are tied to the Western grid, but cannot export south, only to BC (750MW AC tie line) or SK (150MW DC tie line). If anything, it should, theoretically, reduce the price of coal here, if 0.00 taxes it to US users. Generators will eventually retro-fit to NG, though that is a capital-intensive process.

We have 30-40,000 years supply of coal in this Province. I see all kinds of technological improvement in coal-fired generation technology. In addition, though I don't know the process, coal was used as feedstock to produce petrol in Nazi Germany, especially after they lost the oil fields in the east. It should not be too difficult to further frac the product down to C1 & C2.

I'm still wondering though, how a full tank of CNG, as used by buses all over the world, is safer than a full tank of compressed air?

106 posted on 02/26/2014 8:18:19 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Constitution Day
They should call this model "Le Petomane"

Oh man! The things I wish I could un-read. It does explains so much about the French though. Not in a million years would I pay my heard earned money to hear a man farting on stage!

107 posted on 02/26/2014 8:46:42 PM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
How big are busses compared to cars?

How much more metal do the have surrounding the bomb?

108 posted on 02/26/2014 9:12:45 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Buses are bigger than this CNG powered car that has been available to the general public in the US since 2011 and to fleets since 1998, or any of these vehicles that run on CNG. And how much bigger are the CNG tanks on a bus versus a car? Yet they are safer than compressed air tanks apparently!
109 posted on 02/26/2014 10:26:08 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Sounds like it might.


110 posted on 02/27/2014 4:55:10 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Do you have any operational cost info on them?

This is not new technology. It's been around as long as cars have been around. If it were a better idea, it would have been done already.

111 posted on 02/27/2014 5:30:52 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If it were a better idea, it would have been done already.

Your comment reminds me of a comment made by Charles H. Duell, the Commissioner of the U.S. Office of Patents in 1899. "Everything that can be invented has been invented."

Here are some other interesting quotes from the past:
"Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil? You're crazy." -- Drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist to his project to drill for oil in 1859.
"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau." -- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929.
"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value." -- Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre.
"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible." -- Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.
"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." -- Western Union internal memo, 1876.

AFA the operating costs of CNG vehicles? If you choose to check out the link, you can find some details there. AFA compressed air hybrids, I don't have info on it. Remember, I posted an article from the Daily Mail yesterday, which I found interesting. I am not an engineer, nor am I a marketer for Peugeot, merely someone who is frugal, looking for ways to save money. A compressed air hybrid makes sense, as long as the savings outweight the amortized capital cost of the system. Peugeot feels it does. More power to them. Unlike electric hybrids, these will not have to overcome 600-1,000 of batteries using toxic chemicals and exotic materials, so should not cost anywhere near what electronic hybrids will cost.

112 posted on 02/27/2014 8:52:48 AM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

If I were you, I would invest every dollar I possess into compressed-air cars.


113 posted on 02/27/2014 9:09:03 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thank you, Mr. Ned Ludd, I’ll take your advice for what its worth.


114 posted on 02/27/2014 9:59:45 AM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

I see. You don’t believe in putting your money where your mouth is.


115 posted on 02/27/2014 11:21:15 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: Cboldt

“The compressed air is trapped in what is referred to as a hydraulic accumulator. Efficient enough.”

Now there is something I know a bit about. As a machinist and fabricator, I built and installed hydraulic accumulators into industrial machinery. They are a steel cylinder with a floating piston, with compressed air on one side, and hydraulic oil on the other. They don’t hold a great volume of compressed air and as I see it, would be useful mainly to give an underpowered car a quick boost in acceleration in heavy traffic. Such a device would not take you around the block!


116 posted on 02/27/2014 12:13:20 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Are you doubting your own counsel?


117 posted on 02/27/2014 1:04:14 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

No, but you seem to be.


118 posted on 02/27/2014 1:07:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: TexasRepublic
Some accumulators have a bladder in place of the piston. Of course, volume available depends on the size of the device, and the amount of energy stored will be a function of volume and pressure.

Based on the size of the accumulator in the diagram, I agree that it doesn't appear to offer much in the way of distance. I'd guess a volume something less than 20 gallons (total).

Your perception that the point of the accumulator is to give acceleration is quite correct. The engine is sized for average power use, and the accumulator provides peak power well above the engine power. Wiki has a pretty good summary at Hybrid_vehicle.

119 posted on 02/27/2014 1:47:00 PM PST by Cboldt
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