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This Senate hearing is a Bitcoin lovefest
Washington Post ^ | November 18, 2013 | TIMOTHY B. LEE

Posted on 11/19/2013 3:10:23 AM PST by pluvmantelo

The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, chaired by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), is holding the first congressional hearing on the future of Bitcoin. The first panel features senior figures from the Obama administration. And their comments about Bitcoin have been remarkably positive.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: algorithm; bitcoin; gold; ponzi; ponzischeme; pyramid; pyramidscheme; scheme
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1 posted on 11/19/2013 3:10:23 AM PST by pluvmantelo
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To: pluvmantelo

I’m personally very nervous about a form of currency that is backed by nothing and just digitally created out of thin air by mysterious, unseen forces. But enough about the US dollar, I’ll have to look into this Bitcoin thing...


2 posted on 11/19/2013 3:16:07 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: Junk Silver

Good one!


3 posted on 11/19/2013 3:21:05 AM PST by pluvmantelo (Islam-No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.)
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To: pluvmantelo

Bitcoin sounds like the wet dream of every Free Trader Communist Globalist. A one currency based on nothing


4 posted on 11/19/2013 3:21:41 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (2014: Real Conservatives Only, Please)
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The Seinfeld currency.. A currency from nothing.


5 posted on 11/19/2013 3:24:27 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Junk Silver

LOL!

Score.


6 posted on 11/19/2013 3:27:57 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Junk Silver

In fact, SWIPED!


7 posted on 11/19/2013 3:28:28 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: pluvmantelo
I have a question for all those bullish on Bitcoins. Those who think that the value will go to $100,000 or more. Why would anyone spend them? I'm going to use 1 bitcoin to buy an IPAD today, $700 dollars at todays price. I just spent a potential $100,000 on an IPAD, who would do that?
8 posted on 11/19/2013 3:32:12 AM PST by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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The Bitcoin is a classic bubble, worth whatever people think it’s worth at the moment. At some point more people are going to want to spend their Bitcoins than hold them, at which time the “value” could quickly plummet to zero.

Much the same can be said about the stock market which is being pumped up far beyond reality by the massive amount of BitDollars being constantly minted by the Fed.


9 posted on 11/19/2013 3:39:48 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: SeminoleCounty

My thoughts as well.


10 posted on 11/19/2013 3:44:46 AM PST by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: Junk Silver

Exactly classic bubble. I remember stories about people buying Beanie Babies for their retirement or for their kids college education. Didn’t work out so well.


11 posted on 11/19/2013 3:54:09 AM PST by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: newnhdad

Worse than a currency from nothing: a currency that specifically takes WASTE to generate. Wasted energy and CPU cycles on a worthless algorithm. They could have at least had it doing folding or something. Instead it is just waste - and not even backed by the force of law.

The main reason it has gained any value is because drug dealers and hackers (like cryptolocker) like to use them. Yay.


12 posted on 11/19/2013 3:58:01 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: SeminoleCounty

Please don’t blurt out self-contradictory nonsense like ‘free-trade communists’ on this forum.

Communism is the antithesis of free trade. Communism relies on financial repression.

Free Trade (on the other hand) is economic freedom of association - you buy from and sell to whomever you wish.


13 posted on 11/19/2013 4:05:43 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: pluvmantelo

They need to “embrace” it now in case it get huge. There are 2 major aspects to it that our government hates

1) anonymity (the same “problem” as cash but extended to long-distance purchases)

2) they don’t (currently) tax it

It’s been very hard to start taxing internet sales because people have become accustomed to tax-free purchases. They need to get taxes into digital currencies before a large percent of the population get used to them.

It will be the “perfect currency” if they can modify it so a % of each transaction is sent to the IRS and the details reported to the NSA. That may not be what they are saying now, but you know that’s what many people in government are thinking and why they are pushing digital currency supporters to begin these hearings on a positive note.


14 posted on 11/19/2013 5:06:55 AM PST by LostPassword
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3) The government cannot create new bitcoins at will. Bitcoin is the antithesis of the Federal Reserve and its incestuous relationship with the U.S. Treasury.


15 posted on 11/19/2013 6:03:05 AM PST by Prolixus (Summum ius summa inuria.)
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To: Prolixus

If the government can’t create Bitcpins out of thin air, then who does? Accounts are synced to a central server somewhere.


16 posted on 11/19/2013 6:18:20 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: pluvmantelo

Meanwhile, someone is claiming to have created a Bitcoin Assassination Market. Right now. How convenient.

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-bitcoin-assassination-market-2013-11

While the idea of an assassination market has been around for a decade or more, I suspect this announcement is a “false flag”, both as an excuse to slander Bitcoin, and as an opportunity to arrest those who would use an assassination market.

If such a market was set up, its #1 rule would be to keep it a secret as much as possible. It would be designed to be very slow growing, and would have to almost entirely be in the black Internet. It would need to frequently reorganize and disappear entirely only to reemerge elsewhere.

The basic idea of an assassination market is to put out a listing of public figures who *might* be killed. Anyone who wants to, contributes an amount of money to get a time window in which the target *might* be killed. Then when the price is high enough, a potential assassin buys a window of time in which they intend to kill the target. Being the “winner”, the assassin gets the pool of funds, less a use fee by the pool manager.

The idea is that if some public figure is hated, say the fictional character Emmanuel Goldstein from the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, people can “crowd source” money by adding to the pool and selecting improbable dates and times for them to be assassinated. This increases the pool of funds for a potential assassin.

Eventually, the idea is to create a pool so large that potential assassins cannot resist.

The tricky part is the payout. Both payer and payee must absolutely be anonymous, and the funds must be fungible.

Technically speaking, such a market is very feasible, and not just individuals, but organizations, corporations, and governments could easily become involved.


17 posted on 11/19/2013 7:37:02 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (War on Terror news at rantburg.com)
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To: Junk Silver
You've come closer than anyone else has in helping me grasp the concept, by using QE money as a similar situation.

I'm pretty good at comprehension when it comes to Math and Economics. I wish someone could explain just what a bit coin is in a way I can truly grasp. Not a doctoral thesis or anything...just a few simple sentences.

18 posted on 11/19/2013 7:41:12 AM PST by grania
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“I wish someone could explain just what a bit coin is in a way I can truly grasp.”

From my point of view Bitcoin is just another fiat currency. Just like the dollar since Nixon it is backed by nothing other than the willingness of people to accept it as a medium of exchange.

Technically BitCoin is a triumph of cryptography and peer-to-peer computer networking. Instead of a Federal Reserve conjuring dollars from nothingness BitCoins are created on a decentralized network of computers.

What I find fascinating about BitCoins is that as mysterious as the process behind them sounds, there is a public “ledger” and a general consensus that they aren’t created frivolously. Can the same thing be said about the present-day US dollar?


19 posted on 11/19/2013 8:04:57 AM PST by Junk Silver
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they (bitcoins) aren't created frivolously

So how are they created? Is there anything of lasting, stable value assuring they have a value? I realize that our money supply is bogus and nobody's seen the gold, but the government manipulates commerce in a way that gives us confidence that I can exchange money for goods.

Heck, why don't they just use tulip bulbs to back it?

20 posted on 11/19/2013 8:27:30 AM PST by grania
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