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Be vewy vewy careful. Of course not everybody has to or needs to sign up for obiecare. But there are also things in medicare to watch out for. Apparently I am past due for my "depression screening", "behaviour assessment" and my "smoking cessation eval". Dang it. I guess I'd better get on the phone right away huh?
1 posted on 10/21/2013 6:57:30 AM PDT by rktman
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My doctor never goes there, but if he did, I’d lie. And change doctors.


2 posted on 10/21/2013 7:00:02 AM PDT by Kenton
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My daughter and son-in-law were down in my fortress/basement this weekend.

They perused, they browsed and they looked. When one of them said ‘ammunition’ I said “what ammunition” When the other said “what’s in those three gun safes?” I said “what gun safes?”

What do you think I’m gonna tell a doctor?


3 posted on 10/21/2013 7:02:44 AM PDT by Gaffer
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I find it unbelievable how many people (particularly old folks), who when asked by their doctor or whoever if they have any guns, will answer with some stupid non-committal answer other than NO!

Get it through your head folks - anything other than a strong "NO" means yes! (And since it's the government here, even a strong no may bring a stasi-style investigation if you don't make that "NO" believable.

4 posted on 10/21/2013 7:05:37 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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I did not go in for my "welcome to Medicare" free interview. They haven't bothered me about it yet and it has been a few years. I also opted out of Part B.

I really disagree that people went along with guns being forbidden to people "for mental health reasons". Of course I don't want crazy people with guns. But I certainly don't want the feds deciding who's crazy and who isn't.

9 posted on 10/21/2013 7:11:16 AM PDT by grania
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"I was looking at my chart and it said that I was difficult. Why would they write that?" from Seinfeld episode The Package
13 posted on 10/21/2013 7:12:21 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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I don’t have any guns. They scare my cat...


14 posted on 10/21/2013 7:12:32 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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Repeat it often and loudly, “NO ‘MENTAL HEALTH’ SCREENING FOR GUN OWNERSHIP”. Criminally insane is criminally insane. LOCK UP THE CRAZIES.

If they are not going to be held legally accountable for their actions, then they need confinement or a legal guardian in their protective custody at all times.

The drugs don’t make people “normal”, they make them “pass for normal”.

The crazies can kill with poison, cars, knives, pillows, fists, etc. Gun control is just that gun control.

I loathe the despotic Left.


17 posted on 10/21/2013 7:15:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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Nobody has the slightest idea of all the provisions hidden within Obamacare’s thousands of pages of legislation. During a visit to my doctor, I saw my photograph on the electronic records system mandated by Obamacare. It was the photo on my driver license. The photo was provided by the state DMV to the electronic medical records database. Presented as a safety measure for law enforcement during traffic stops, if a person has a CHL, that same DMV records system also automatically reports it to anybody querying the database.


19 posted on 10/21/2013 7:19:03 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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What guns?

I don’t know what you’re talking about, doctor?


24 posted on 10/21/2013 7:27:02 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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Thank Goodness for Obamacare: Hidden Amendment Prevents Gun and Ammo Registry

Kyle Becker | On 09, Jan 2013

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/29003-thank-goodness-for-obamacare-hidden-amendment-prevents-gun-and-ammo-registry/


26 posted on 10/21/2013 7:27:14 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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So I had a hip replaced and got home health care, which I didn’t really need but the nurse showed up anyway. She quizzed me on dressing and drugs taking, I guess to make sure I was mentally ok...this was a bit offensive. But she was nice so I cooperated. Then she asked how many guns I had in the house. I asked her why my hip replacement required that I answer that question. She said she had to ask but I didn’t have to answer, so I didn’t.

This was before Obamacare rules so it is there still I’m sure.


30 posted on 10/21/2013 7:37:16 AM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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It's not necessary to excerpt the article

Watch Your Guns Around Obamacare

Rachel Alexander | Oct 21, 2013

>What does gun control have to do with health care? As odd as it seems, Obamacare contains provisions that jeopardize gun ownership, especially for veterans. Anti-gun provisions were added to initial drafts of Obamacare legislation under the pretext of prohibiting people with mental illness – which can include PTSD - from owning guns. Fortunately, the NRA stepped in and got some of the worst language revised last December. Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. prohibits the creation of a firearms database and stops doctors from disclosing or collecting information relating to a patient’s firearms. Ironically, this provision was probably the only positive result of most members of Congress not bothering to read the bill before voting on it.

However, the provision does not go as far as prohibiting doctors from asking their patients if there are any firearms in their home. In January, Obama issued 23 executive actions and orders regarding firearms. Order 16 stressed that Obamacare does not prohibit doctors from asking patients about their firearms, and the fact sheet includes, “Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence.” What constitutes a “threat of violence” could be very arbitrary. This puts doctors in a difficult position by suggesting they act as pseudo-law enforcement agents. It is damaging to doctor-patient privilege. If doctors have a patient with PTSD or mental illness, and they fail to ask the patient about their firearms, or report them to law enforcement, they could be on the hook later. It encourages them to err on the side of snooping into their patients’ guns. This is especially troubling considered the definition of mental illness keeps expanding.

The state of Florida implemented legislation that would have severely restricted a doctor’s ability to ask a patient about guns at home, but a federal court struck it down as unconstitutional. After the NRA got that provision added, the organization backed off on pressing for further changes, no doubt because trying to get more changes done at that time would have been impossible with the Democratic-controlled Senate and presidency. But there are still areas within our healthcare laws that could prohibit Americans from owning firearms – specifically our veterans.

In the 1990s, the Clinton administration ordered the Department of Veteran Affairs to share information about 90,000 veterans considered “mentally defective” by the VA to the FBI, so they could be added to the national instant check system (NICS) as prohibited possessors. To be declared “mentally defective” by the VA does not require an adjudication; it could be a doctor merely finding that a veteran has a mental illness and “lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.” That could easily be held to apply to a veteran with PTSD who is simply in a wheelchair. The definition of “mental defective” by Veteran Affairs expanded under Clinton in 1999. The number of Americans now in the prohibited possessors database has increased to over 550,000 and 11 percent of them are veterans. Nearly 40 percent of veterans are believed to have PTSD.

Under Obamacare, federal agencies like the ATF can still pore over health records and determine who has mental issues or PTSD. There is nothing in Obamacare that prohibits another federal agency from compiling a database of gun owners.

Gun Owners of America warns that the next step will be linking insurance with gun ownership. Some private insurers, including State Farm and Prudential, drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or not using trigger locks. It’s not difficult to see how this could be adopted as a requirement of Obamacare in the vague name of “health.”

The problem with linking gun control with health care is that everyone knows gun crimes are almost always caused by criminals who illegally obtained the weapons, not law-abiding gun owners. Painting all veterans who have PTSD as potential criminals isn’t going to stop the real criminals. There are hundreds of shooting and hunting excursions available for veterans today to specifically help them cope with PTSD. To arbitrarily exclude all of these patriots from rehabilitation with proven results is political manipulation at its worst. Taya Kyle, the widow of the American Sniper who was shot by a mentally ill veteran while helping him shoot for rehabilitation, now speaks out against restricting Second Amendment rights. It wasn’t the killer's PTSD that caused the murder, he had a much more troubled history than just PTSD.

Organizations like the NRA and Gun Owners of America continue to expose these sneaky backdoor attempts at gun control. There are plenty of health-care groups clamoring to have Obamacare limit gun ownership, like the American Academy of Pediatrics. They’re not going to stop, as revisions can still be added to Obamacare to tweak it. David Satcher, a surgeon general under President Bill Clinton, who headed the Centers for Disease Control in the 1990s, is blatantly open that the goal is to create a national database of gun owners through Obamacare. “Privacy needs to be protected, but it’s important that this kind of data be gathered,” he said. These feel-good measures actually endanger safety, not promote it. As the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre says, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

37 posted on 10/21/2013 7:53:07 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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They know who you are and who your friends, relatives, and neighbors are. First, people who have even a slight nervous or emotional disorder will be forbidden guns. Then, if anyone in your household has a “disorder,” including ADHD, you will be forbidden guns. Then, if anyone in that category is related to you or friends with you and might visit your home, you will be forbidden guns. Then, if anyone who lives in your neighborhood who has a disorder and might visit your home, you will be forbidden guns. See how that works? It’s for your safety and well-being.


48 posted on 10/21/2013 8:46:53 AM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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You said; “...which can include PTSD - from owning guns ...”

I am of the belief that you to have been judicially classed as a danger to yourself or others ...


54 posted on 10/21/2013 3:25:56 PM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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