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What do you mean I can’t get a job with my medieval feminist studies degree?
National Post ^ | SEPTEMBER 4, 2013 | Robyn Urback

Posted on 09/08/2013 8:07:06 AM PDT by rickmichaels

Many young men and women headed back to the classroom this week, equipped with texts on cultural relativism and stars in their eyes. They should enjoy it while it lasts. Those stars will turn to dollar signs not long after graduation day, when the realization sets in that that medieval feminist studies degree is not as marketable as they had anticipated.

The problem isn’t unique to those who have chosen to pursue so-called “soft” degrees. For years now, graduates of teachers colleges (especially in Ontario) have found themselves with few job openings, as have journalism grads, some business majors and a growing cohort of law school alumni. In some industries, such as teaching, there is an oversupply of labour and too few job opportunities. For other fields, such as journalism, the stream of grads remains constant even though the industry itself is shrinking. And as for those equity studies and philosophy majors — unless they can flip that paper into a PhD and teach the courses themselves — they’ve long been looking at a career behind the counter.

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To: rickmichaels
In some industries, such as teaching, there is an oversupply of labour and too few job opportunities.

That has been a trend going back to the 1960s.

When the economy is going gangbusters, teacher shortages occur. When the economy tanks, teacher surpluses occur.

When things are good, many, even those who got teaching degrees, enter the private workforce because the pay, benefits and workloads are better. When things go bad, they try to return to teaching as a financial refuge.

It happens in every significant economic cycle.
21 posted on 09/08/2013 8:35:38 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: rickmichaels

There’s always the Doctorate in Social Justice available at the University of Massachusetts School of Professional Grievances.


22 posted on 09/08/2013 8:36:25 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: rickmichaels

The Government student loan program is over 1 trillion dollars and 50% of those loans are in default...

ummmm yeah that program is a great idea... Like all government programs.


23 posted on 09/08/2013 8:40:06 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: rickmichaels

Bring back American industry.

Make things here.

Make lots of things here.

Right here.

Stop importing everything. Make stuff in America.


24 posted on 09/08/2013 8:40:37 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: rickmichaels

In a free market one succeeds by providing value that others will purchase.

If a degree does not help you provide purchasable value, it’s not worth purchasing (unless you can afford to spend your money to study something for fun).

Shame on the academic community for misleading so many naïve students.


25 posted on 09/08/2013 8:40:56 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it)
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To: piytar
The real problem is that useful degrees are hard. And far too many college age kids are soft...

In the 70s and after, the community college concept grew like wildfire. Too many 'kids' who formerly would have been directed to trade schools were re-directed to community colleges.

Then, more of those same students were coerced into liberal arts/BA/BS programs at regular colleges.

Those colleges (community and regular) lowered standards to maintain the numbers of students in order to get FED and state money.

That has been going on for nearly half a century.


26 posted on 09/08/2013 8:41:53 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Tool makers are making damned good money."

They should. They provide a service and product the market needs.

27 posted on 09/08/2013 8:42:18 AM PDT by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: rickmichaels

The feminist stuff is crap but medieval history? That’s hardly a soft subject to me! You can have a really good career as a historian (hopefully objective and politically incorrect) or as a writer. I have a thousand books on medieval English history - enough to keep a world of writers employed.


28 posted on 09/08/2013 8:43:15 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: TomGuy

The closing of the trade schools and the forcing of kids into college was a disaster for this country.


29 posted on 09/08/2013 8:44:44 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
You are right on! I have a cousin who makes over a 100k a year as a tool and die maker. Spent 15 years as an all around machinist to reach his skill level but he never lacks for work or a job.
30 posted on 09/08/2013 8:46:34 AM PDT by Little Bill (A)
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To: VanDeKoik

Art schools used to be trade schools. In Manhattan, they still are - unless you’re talking about the really big ones like Pratt. There are a lot of jobs that you can extract from a good art degree. Just was reading about Julian Beck, the theatre artist, who got excellent jobs as a window dresser before he became successful as a theatre person. Window dressing in Manhattan is a huge deal and very lucrative.


31 posted on 09/08/2013 8:48:53 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Volunteer

Back in about 1968, a cousin who went into the T & D trade said he could expect $22/hour and would have as much work as he wanted. That’s probably $44 today...


32 posted on 09/08/2013 8:50:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: miss marmelstein

But it was 'unfair' that only the wealthier and/or smarter ones could go on to college.

That was one of the major arguments. Libthink.

Any time you see or hear 'unfair', prepare for a Libthink proposition.

That is also how many mentally deficient students got 'mainstreamed' into regular classes. Libthink.


33 posted on 09/08/2013 8:51:38 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: TomGuy

Well, I don’t think kids who were slated to go to trade schools were mentally deficient. They learned good trades at those schools and often went on to have really good jobs. Of course, in my youth, we really respected working-class people such as plumbers and carpenters. We made fun of pencil neck geeks at Harvard!


34 posted on 09/08/2013 8:54:46 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: VanDeKoik
"They are spending thousands for those art supplies, tens of thousands for the classes, and graduating with tens of thousands of other art students into careers that don’t exist, with tens of thousands in debt."

Actually there are lots of jobs you can get with and art degree but its not traditional art as in taking a canvas and making pretty pictures.

Its in graphic art and animation and such like that.

And a lot of that stuff pays pretty well and there is a lot of job opportunities. (Way more than "woman's studies" or "gay and lesbian humanities" etc.)

My daughter is one of those students who is walking around with art supplies BUT those classes are requirements to get her on the path she wants to take. She has taken the approach that she wants to do either architecture OR a job in animation OR art therapy And if she goes the architect route she is also considering structural engineering. And every one of those paths require she take basic art classes.

35 posted on 09/08/2013 8:56:43 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Tupelo
I find it interesting that ... there are so many folks out of work.

I don't. You met today's youth? I mean have you actually spent more than just a passing glance on a street with them? They are vacuous. They have absolutely zero aspirations. They don't want to work. They want to sit in an air-conditioned room with a smart device with Internet access. They don't want to make anything better, including their lives.

I was talking with my personal trainer about this stuff just last week. He's in his mid-20's, but he's doing personal training for cash and putting himself through nursing school. He has drive. He's also a practicing Christian with hopes and dreams and wants.

I could tell my lazy ass younger brother that he could make $30/hr working in a T&D shop or as a welder or a carpenter, and his ears would perk up. Problem is as soon as he finds out it's actual work involving deadlines and shop foremen, his interest will collapse like a cheap lawnchair.

Kids today have an extreme aversion to authority. They don't want to be "managed," and those who try to be their own manager, try to start a business or work in a trade come to find out real quick that Uncle Sam is the biggest bully boss of them all. For today's youth, there's zero incentive to work. They've been raised and educated to believe that materialism is evil. Nice things are evil. Starving children in Africa can't have nice things, why should they?

The idea of America as an exceptional nation of "doers" with a drive to succeed and be better is dying if not assuming room temperature. Even I, in my early 30s, have become disenchanted by my future prospects. My wife and I save money, continue to get out of debt, and we aspire to fix up our little home together, but outside of that, work is just an 8 hour interruption in our daily lives. It's sad, because I really enjoy my career; but without any real goals or long-term aspirations, work is something I need to keep the lights on and food in my belly. Perhaps it's the liberal education that indoctrinated me in my later teen years, but I definitely feel like life is so much more than the money we make or the stuff we have. Then again, to what we aspire usually requires funds to obtain.

36 posted on 09/08/2013 9:01:52 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Your daughter is getting a great education in the fundamentals of art. That’s what the paint brushes are for. My nephew is in art school as well - he’s employed, also, as a game designer in a startup business in L.A. He’s making more than I ever did at age 18!


37 posted on 09/08/2013 9:02:02 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Tupelo
"But wait. These are the jobs that teaching professionals say are for losers. I wonder what a journeyman machinist or tool & die maker makes these days."

Don't know about those trades, but I can tell you about our longtime auto mechanic. He's scrupulously honest, and he has so much business it's unreal....had to take out his gas pumps to make room, and is making so much money he was able to do away with Saturday hours. He owns several Corvettes and is always looking for more. He and his dad live on either side of the business in little ranch houses. The dad, who started the business and handed it down to him, is worth 7$ million.

I don't think they mind not having degrees.

38 posted on 09/08/2013 9:05:34 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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To: rarestia

I don’t agree with everything you say but you’re right about that aversion to authority. My husband has had his youthful employees act disgracefully on a constant basis. Giving their opinions on high management issues, hacking private emails, walking off the job if someone is rude on the phone; the list goes on and on and on. I guess it comes from the self-esteem movement.


39 posted on 09/08/2013 9:06:22 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Auto mechanics must make tons of money. The only problem is in finding one you can trust and who is honest. All these trades require mucho intelligence.


40 posted on 09/08/2013 9:08:02 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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