Lessons In Urban Warfare: “People Will Die In Huge Numbers”

SHTF School ^ | 9/7/13 | Selco

[Kartographer]

We are at interesting point in time. It might be point that changes human history if some of those who rule us (sorry to call it like that but that is situation right now) play their game and it escalates. Im happy to know most of you have already proper storage and skills to try your best when storm hits. Let’s hope we don’t need anything of this.

If you have time, stop eating (but maybe get drink) and spend half hour to watch the video below. It is just out since 4th of September 2013 but shows bit older video footage of people fighting for their survival in Syria in current conflict. It’s bloody and maybe disturbing for some, so maybe don't eat. I speak a lot about how I moved through city and fought in my survival course and see many similarities. Too many, so I had to take some breaks looking at this. Anyway, I have comments about this video below.

[TEXOKIE]

ROFL! about your address for payment!

Please accept my thanks for so rapidly conducting said research! Very interesting.

[TEXOKIE]

Thanks - gotta get some of those.

[Pollster1]

While I see the point on the Berlin Wall (which did in the short term interfere with unauthorized crossings), the Great Wall (same), European ruins (same), I also note that every military base on which I have worked had fences or walls. While the walled cities of Italy in most cases fell to attack, they still built walls. I lean toward a suspicion that fortifications are a good thing as long as they are a supplement to other defenses and not the only line of defense. I'm not convinced that I am right, and I suspect thought on this question would evolve quickly in difficult times, but some sort of barrier (manned or patrolled) is almost a universal throughout history.

[GeronL]

or in the leftists case, abnormalcy bias

[GeronL]

A far leftwing prepper is hoarding birth control pills and claiming economic collapse is racist!

[Old Sarge]

Yep exactly.

[Sawdring]

Everyone has some extra weight on them in the video.

[greeneyes]

You know we have 22 acres about 10 miles from us that we could do something with. It has a creek. In fact my property line runs through the middle of the creek, and goes uphill. It’s the back up in case we have to vacate the house do to some natural disaster.

So what about your stock tanks? Are they full of water? What about mosquitos? Are you raising fish in them? Doing anything else with them?

I am thinking that if we went in and planted some native fruit trees, like paw paw’s and some nut trees edible weeds LOL etc. It would be a good idea. Wouldn’t need much tending
and we could make a trip or two to harvest what the critters leave.

Then we would have plenty of critters for eating and some fruits, nuts, and greens to go with the squirrel stew.LOL

[only1percent]

The military and police don’t need to control the armed citizens. They just need to control utilities, gas, food distribution. Citizens, including armed citizens, who want those things will do what the military says. The number of citizens who don’t want those things is inconsequential.

[Arrowhead1952]

So what about your stock tanks? Are they full of water? What about mosquitos? Are you raising fish in them? Doing anything else with them?

I know one tank is full now. It has plenty of fish to keep mosquitos out. The neighbor leasing the land keeps a few cattle there, so they have a water supply. I could irrigate a large garden if I wanted to from either tank. One is almost an acre in size and about 10 feet deep in the center. The other is only about 75' across and 6 - 8 feet deep.

[driftdiver]

Who says they can control those things?

[greeneyes]

An acre 10 foot deep sounds like a small lake-not a stock tank.LOL

Holy Moly. You can irrigate, grow fish, and swim to cool off/rinse off. I’d say you got a real good area for living off the land.

We are only using our 1 acre lot that has a house and garage taking up part of the space. Had intentions of building a house on the 25 acres we bought, but the economy changed and the state took about 3 acres for a road, and destroyed all the road frontage access we had, so we decided to just stay put.

The land is close enough though that we could do something with it. We have talked about selling half of it, and using the money to repair our rental/vacation property on the western side of the state, build a garden shed, and/or develop the remaining acreage to make some money, or increase our food supply.

So much to do, and so little time to get it done.

[cyn]

 

 

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[sauropod]

So is Baltimordor.

[familyop]

Alright, you were good natured about the photos, so I’ll offer some serious info on home security barriers. As the environment is now, you want the barriers to look nice—nice as a nice granny’s house. Here are some tips.

* If the place is far enough from the suburbs and doesn’t have any local codes against barbed wire, build a regular but extra strong stock fence less than six feet high. Be careful. Accidents can happen with barbed wire construction, especially if it’s stretched too tight for fastening. Study barbed wire fence construction. There are plenty of how-tos around the Net.

* Suburban fence. Find out what’s cool with the local codes, and find a way to build the best looking but most effective suburban fence. Hedges can also work but must be transplanted or allowed years to grow. Trim the hedges. ;-)

* Electric fences. There are some great solar fence chargers at vendor sites around the Net. Follow the instructions (no grounding on grass, etc.). Don’t build such a fence where neighbor kids will get zapped by them. Do _not_ charge a fence with household AC current, of course. Some kooks have done that and may be in prison by now for it.

* Rock veneer on a house. Properly built with the right materials, it will stop rifle bullets. Make it look great. Avoid building it to the eaves.

* Outside doors can be replaced and reinforced. Consider the walls, too. Make the job look really nice.

* Consider a small, efficient, humble house. Large houses can sometimes be more often selected by criminals. Small houses can still look nice.

* Cameras. Some low-light cameras are cheap now, although some may require protection against weather. Cameras can be used with computers, free operating systems and free software for camera security. For extra security, software can be configured to use software motion detection and automatically upload video to remote servers.

* A dog. Dogs are good as alarms. Liability dogs (bad dogs, breeds) are not so good in any environment, whether civil (criminal charges if neighbor bitten, lawsuits,...) or uncivil environment (retaliations from neighbors).

* Lighting. With enough forethought, lighting can foil nighttime attacks, visibility from the outside, etc.

There’s no end to ideas for good looking home security. Every little change in elevation, smoothness and decoration can make a difference.

Don’t build anything monstrous, or the security feature will become the talk of the community and might even make the place more of a target. Keep it humble.

[Arrowhead1952]

Yup, I have just over 60 acres, but it is a little too far to visit on a regular basis. I grew up there and moved close to Austin when I got a job here in 73. Now that I am retired, I’d like to do something with that land. I need to plant a large garden, but would need a deer proof fence.

[familyop]

Ah, and battery powered electric driveway alarms with chimes. Those are nice and can be repainted if the homeowner desires a different color.

[RandallFlagg]

Bookmarking

[familyop]

"JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!"

Good for bumper stickers to post around a rural development (especially near "For Sale" signs). It would keep the place from getting more crowded up by SHTF-ers fleeing the cities. ;-)

[greeneyes]

Especially if you are not living there, you would need a big fence and probably a wire roof or something. LOL