Posted on 08/27/2013 10:44:47 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
Partial Transcript of the Mark Levin Show aired live on Monday, August 19, 2013
[start at 0:26 of the podcast recording]
Hello everybody, Mark Levin here, our number 877-381-3811, 877-381-3811.
Mark Levin: Before we jump in, all I can say is, Wow! You guys, open your microphones a second. Thousands of people at both booksignings. Wasn’t that unbelievable?
Staffer: There were a lot of people there, it was great.
Mark Levin: And the people were just spectacular, weren’t they? Except for one guy in New Jersey which I’ll talk about later.
Staffer: [chuckles]
Mark Levin: This… this birther stuff is way, way out of contr…”Now Ted Cruz” … I swear I almost hit this guy… “Ted Cruz is not a citizen!” No, he’s born to an American mother, no he’s born in Canada to an American mother. So all you pregnant ladies travelling overseas: According to certain birther, uh, groups, if you have a child while you are on vacation, they’re not Americans. They’re not natural-born Americans. I just thought you’d wanna know, if you were thinking of your kid as a potential presidential candidate, uh, because they say so. They have no historical background whatsoever… None! But it’s, it’s just amazing! Absolutely stunning! But we had so many wonderful people, and let me add, all races, both genders… I don’t know the sexual preferences, that wasn’t a requirement to say hello…young people, elderly, middle age people. A particularly young crowd, yeah, we had dogs come too, everybody so well behaved, and uh, it was a pleasure. In New York, we were there about four-and-a-half hours, in New Jersey about five, five-and-a-half hours, and I wanted to be respectful to everybody, so… I just want to thank you all, and this Saturday, Tyson’s Corner, Virginia, at Barnes and Noble. I should add, if you want to see the crowd that was at New York, Mr. Producer went down the line, and this was early on, this, this line kept growing and growing throughout the day…you can go look at uh MarkLevinShow.com on our website, as well as the social sites MarkLevinShow Facebook, MarkLevinShow Twitter. Um, Christians, Coptic Christians are being wiped out in Egypt. Their churches are being burned to the ground….
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Mark Levin: Alright, lets go to uh, Steve in New York, the great WABC, go!
Steve: Great one, it’s great to talk to you, what an honor.
Mark Levin: My honor, thank you, my friend.
Steve: Oh, I got a great story for you, I loved your uh, Hannity special, I enjoyed it very much, I listened to it three times over the weekend…
Mark Levin: Oh, thank you.
Steve: …I got my wife, I got my wife to tape for me, or TIVO it, and she watched it. And she really enjoyed it. She’s not big on politics or anything, and she gets sick of hearing me talk about it, but it was funny ‘cause she said “He is so calm, Steve.” He was, she was trying to do a little wifey/husband training? And…
Mark Levin: Uh huh.
Steve: she said “He is so calm, and he gets his point across. He didn’t raise his voice, or get upset…
Mark Levin: [chuckles]
Steve: …or anything!”
Mark Levin: [breaks out into laughter]
Steve: …and I laughed so hard. I said “How do you, uh, where do you think I learned how to yell?” [laughs] “I just listen to Mark.” And she knows you’re my hero, I go around quotin’ ya, and tellin’ everybody to listen to ya, and…
Mark Levin: Well, that’s great.
Steve: she just … to get me to calm down a little, and I said you just need to listen to Mark. [laughs]
Mark Levin: Well, thank you, uh…well listen, you know what, this is called passion, just remind her it’s passion, you know, and um…what was truly exceptional about the Hannity program, number one, the man has enormous class and decency, and number two, he was asking me questions because he wanted me to inform the public about what I’d written, and to engage the studio audience. And notice we didn’t have a bunch of left-wing bomb throwers just yelling and talking over people. There were conversations actually occurring, did you notice that?
Steve: Yes, there was no crazy, I mean a lot of times he’s got the left wingers on there, and it’s just, kind, it’s almost funny to watch, but that was so interesting and…and it didn’t get me upset, and it just, I just wanted to listen to it over and over and absorb every second of it, and every bit of information, it…it’s just brilliant, Mark, I, you know I hope when um…we’ve got President Cruz, he has the wisdom to make you his chief of staff or vice-president.
Mark Levin: No, no no no no no. And he’s got a great chief of staff, by the way. No, I…I do what I do, and uh, and he will do a great job should he be president. Thank you for your call my friend. And uh, I’m so sick of these birthers. I was going to tell you about this, uh, incident. Just a wonderful group of people, uh, we were in Bookends, Ridgewood, New Jersey, and everyone was respectful until…and it was hot outside, it got hot, hotter than uh originally forecast and it was a very long line, and you know we try to go through it quickly out of respect for everybody in line, but I also try to be respectful to everybody in line. Um…but this fella [breathes out] gets in my face and first of all he points to some obscure note on page I don’t know whatever and he said [cough] excuse me folks, and he says “You were wrong about this, you were wrong about”, and honestly I, I, I didn’t have time to read it, and I’ll go back and check it, if I’m wrong about it I’ll fix it, and that happens sometimes in these books when you’re going into the notes, you might put a word when you mean another word, or a state when you mean another state, so I’m going to check it out, I just haven’t had time. And then he goes, he says uh “And Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president. He’s not a natural-born Citizen.” And I thought to myself, you know I, this is not a subject that I have studied so thoroughly, but he’s born of a mother who is an American citizen. Doesn’t that make him a natural-born Ci… “No, but he was in Canada when he was born!” Okay, but she wasn’t Canadian, she was an American citizen! She was an American citizen. And so, the issue isn’t what the Constitution says in that regard, the issue is how do we interpret that. And the way I interpret it is, his mother’s an American citizen, so he’s an American citizen! That’s not a constitutional issue, that’s an interpretive issue… or, a statutory issue if Congress has passed some law subsequent to that to enforce that provision of the Constitution. So, the face of the Constitution isn’t terribly helpful. If he was born of non-citizens in a foreign country that would be easy, and there’s a lot of easy cases. So the guy gets in my face, and he starts pointing and pointing, and I looked at him and I pointed back, and I cursed, unfortunately, but the, because, uh you know, he was…he was a nutjob. And I thought to myself: Why do you come here and do that? Is this, is this sort of the way you…you excite yourself or something? No. So, I just want you folks to know who like Ted Cruz. I…I assume they’re going to do this to Rubio, or some of these other people too, whether you like ‘em or not for president I’m just making a point, but now this has become an entire industry. And of course [chuckles] Ted Cruz [laughs], he immediately issued today or yesterday his long form birth certificate. Now, some of this is probably coming from the left. So now they’re the birthers. But some of it’s coming from others, too. People just get obsessed, or conspiratorial, and there’s no end to it, on a matter like this, and there’s nothing I can say or point to that’s going to change their mind. But in my view there’s no doubt about it that he’s eligible for president, should he choose to run, just as I believe McCain was eligible for president, when he ran. So…that’s my opinion! You may not like it… But what particularly bothered me about this guy…he was disrespectful in his conduct to everybody else standing there. They were pleasant, talking to each other, you know…listening, watching and so forth. I’m a big boy; I’ve seen this and a thousand times worse. But he was quite obnoxious. He’s the only one…oh no there was another guy, had a prob, wha wha, he what…he had a problem, he was screaming upstairs, I don’t know what he was screamin’ about. It was kind of eventful there in New Jersey. No, there wasn’t anything like that in New York, was there boys? [Staff: No. Peaceful in ji…you know in Long Island] It was peaceful on Long Island! [chuckles] But is was peaceful in New Jersey, too. It really, really was. It was just terrific. If you could have seen that line, well, actually you can. We have the uh video, and this is just the start of the day with the line. It got longer and longer at uh… at Book Review in Long Island if you want to take a look on MarkLevinShow.com or MarkLevi…oh there is now? The…the New Jersey line? Okay. Both lines. On MarkLevinShow.com, are they both on the social sites too? Or…just the Long Island. But we’ll put the other one up later so some of you can see yourselves, too. Alright. GoldLine!
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(further information and videos at: http://queenofliberty.com/2013/08/14/mark-levin-rolls-out-his-new-book/)
While I fully agree that a "Natural Born Citizen", according to the framers, is "one who is born in the country, to parents who are both citizens of that country at the time of that birth", we are far beyond such trivialities now (and I do not mean that the US Constitution is trivial).
We are just simply too far beyond the US Constitution, beyond the rule of law, beyond civilized behavior, and beyond where any voice of reason can or will be heard.
We still have our pretend elections, but we can no more vote our way to national survival than the Jews could vote their way out of the European holocaust.
Not true. He may reach the same conclusion, but the atmosphere is different.
And you miss another key point, the situation is totally different with Obama. He is already President, so the question becomes how to BEST save the Republic from Obama. The answer is NOT the birther issue, for many many reasons, since that will never remove him from office and in fact, will probably strengthen him. Cruz is not President, so it's just an entirely different dynamic, keying on the intent of the Founders. And the intent was NOT NOT NOT to keep someone like Cruz from running.
Yep, definitely
What’s zotbait? Whatever that is, I’m pretty sure I’m not.
You must be a bureaucrat, because you interpreted "original intent" as only a bureuacrat could...by saying that the technical defintion was the original intent, and ignoring what was really the original intent....which was no divided loyalties. Some 240 years ago, that loyalty test was a helluva lot different than it is now. Seriously, what kind of bureaucrat are you???
“birther”
Clearly you’ve given the issue thought. /s
“Ted Cruz was born outside the country to a woman eligible to confer citizenship.”
Yes, this law is codified in the Immigration and Naturalization Act. The Immigration and Naturalization Act says Cruz is a citizen at birth because of his mother’s citizenship status and age at the time of his birth.
Congress is not authorized to codify any law or rule to establish a uniform rule on Natural born citizenship status, only immigration and naturalization. Consequently, Congressional authority to speak on citizenship status after a non-U.S born person becomes a U.S. Citizen is voided.
Furthermore, SCOTUS has opined natural born citizenship status “stands upon the footing of the native born.” Consequently, only a native born citizen could be a natural born citizen.
If you have to ask ......
Actually, the judge who decides that is 'gunner. Or is it Laz?
We have the "fact-oriented birthers" to thank for all of the factual questions regarding the location of Obama's birth, the identity of his real father, the identity of his real mother and the genuineness of any public records that relate to any of those issues. Remarkably, after five years of investigation, most of the "fact-oriented birthers" have gotten themselves so tangled up in doubts and suspicions that they will tell you that they now have "no idea" where Obama was born or the identity of either of his "real" parents. The shelf life of these birthers will expire at the end of Obama's term. It seems like a lot of time and money were wasted by those who got sucked into this black hole. These were the birthers that Obama didn't want to see go away and that may explain why he withheld some of his birth records for so long.
The second birther sub-group (those interested in the definition of the NBC clause) is more durable. I have a lot of respect for the work that many of them have done in uncovering a lot of interesting history. However, in the end, I think that they are trying to construct certain answers for questions that do not lend themselves to any certain or definite resolution. But, at least the questions they raise will have potential relevance to other candidates in the future.
Of the birthers I have known, I haven't known of one who I believe would have voted for Obama but for the birther issues. Every one of them that I have known is a person who I believe would have voted against Obama no matter where or to whom Obama was born.
The effect on a Cruz campaign should be similar. If he's lucky, there may emerge some anti-Cruz "fact-oriented birthers" on the left who claim that his real father was Fidel Castro or that he was actually born in Cuba or that he is really a space alien, etc., but I don't think anybody on the left could now make any money on such theories following the failure by the anti-Obama "fact-oriented birthers" to ever develop any coherent conclusions. That kind of stuff has been discredited for now.
I think anyone who votes against Cruz because of birther concerns will be someone who would never have voted for Cruz anyway.
Ted Cruz is one of a kind and I think he has a good chance of getting the nomination in 2016. And, if he gets the nomination, I think he has a good chance of being our next president.
Then what was your point?
James Madisn, the “Father of the Constitution,”
“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”
Abridgment of the Debates of Congress, from 1789 to 1856 From Gales and Seatons’ Annals of Congress; from Their Register of Debates; and from the Official Reported Debates, by John C. Rives By United States. Congress, Thomas Hart Benton
Washington, Jefferson and Madison became citizens of the First French Republic and the Marquis de Lafayette became a United States citizen by decree for his invaluable assistance to the revolution.
What the Gounders and Framers did not want was an Englisman who had spent some time in the colonies returning to the new nation and taking control of the nation’s government.
Judge Antonin Scalia on this subject (” jus soli” is Latin for “the right of soil” or birthright nationality.)
Justice Scalia: … “I mean, isn’t it clear that the natural born requirement in the Constitution was intended explicitly to exclude some Englishmen who had come here and spent some time here and then went back and raised their families in England?
They did not want that.
They wanted natural born Americans.
[Ms.]. Davis: Yes, by the same token…
Justice Scalia: That is jus soli, isn’t it?
[Ms.] Davis: By the same token, one could say that the provision would apply now to ensure that Congress can’t apply suspect classifications to keep certain individuals from aspiring to those offices.
Justice Scalia: Well, maybe.
I’m just referring to the meaning of natural born within the Constitution.
I don’t think you’re disagreeing.
It requires jus soli, doesn’t it?”
The point is the Levin explodes on anybody who mentions any question regarding the citizenship status of any politician.
And on Obama’s 2008 campaign website ‘Fight The Smears’, it stated:
‘The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.’
It never stated he was a ‘Natural Born Citizen’.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/FightTheSmearsNative.jpg
“Some 240 years ago, that loyalty test was a helluva lot different than it is now”
What law made ‘loyalty test’ change?
They have been very careful to never assert that he is a “natural born citizen”
They have cultivated an impression of eligibility without any supporting facts. It’s quite a snowjob.
>>This is your opinion, and as of today, it is not a legally defined term that has been codified into US law.<<
I don’t think anything has been codified into US law regarding NBC. The 14th amendment dealt with NBC. From this blog you can read a lot of history on the topic:
http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/
The conclusion by the author there indicates place of birth is not relevant. But who the citizenship of the Father was. Of course that predates the 19th amendment. Now that women can vote, I think it’s reasonable to extend that same line of logic to the mother as well. The way I understand the NBC issue is that there is not one universal definition. Not by a long shot. The blog is an interesting read for anyone interested in the history of this topic.
He sure does. I’ve heard him countless times hang up on a caller who is in mid-sentence once he/she starts questioning Obama’s eligibility.
Yep. What got me is that website declared him a non-natural born Citizen in plain site and nobody in the media or campaign opposition caught it and made a issue out of it.
The Constitution *is* law. Original intent is the way to read the Constitution.
I like Cruz. I like his politics. I like his style. There is just no way he passes the intent of the Natural Born Citizen requirement.
The man has a Canadian birth certificate.
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