Two Basic Human Groups?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061681219#post1061681219 ^

[varmintman]

Compared to other animals, humans have very little genetic diversity, e.g.

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/skin-color/modern-human-diversity-genetics

People today look remarkably diverse on the outside. But how much of this diversity is genetically encoded? How deep are these differences between human groups? First, compared with many other mammalian species, humans are genetically far less diverse – a counterintuitive finding, given our large population and worldwide distribution. For example, the subspecies of the chimpanzee that lives just in central Africa, Pan troglodytes troglodytes, has higher levels of diversity than do humans globally, and the genetic differentiation between the western (P. t. verus) and central (P. t. troglodytes) subspecies of chimpanzees is much greater than that between human populations.

I've read at least one claim that there is less diversity in the entire human race than in a typical group of 40 African monkeys of the same species, although that sort of quote is the kind of thing which you'd never find when looking for it...

This lack of diversity is generally attributed to a population bottleneck of sorts which most scholars place around 45,000 years ago, some claiming there may have been as few as 50 modern humans on the planet at that time. Nonetheless, those claims generally assume some sort of a transition from "early modern humans(TM)" (meaning gracile hominids) to Cro Magnon humans at that time.

Is that really believable, or did Cro Magnon people simply arrive here at that time and begin replacing ALL hominids, gracile and otherwise? One thing scholars all agree on is that whatever caused Cro Magnon people to appear on this planet when they did was not gradual. Danny Vendramini ("Them and Us") notes:

“The speed of the Upper Palaeolithic revolution in the Levant was also breathtaking. Anthropologists Ofer Bar-Yosef and Bernard Vandermeersch:

“Between 40,000 and 45,000 years ago the material culture of western Eurasia changed more than it had during the previous million years. This efflorescence of technological and artistic creativity signifies the emergence of the first culture that observers today would recognise as distinctly human, marked as it was by unceasing invention and variety. During that brief period of 5,000 or so years, the stone tool kit, unchanged in its essential form for ages, suddenly began to differentiate wildly from century to century and from region to region. Why it happened and why it happened when it did constitute two of the greatest outstanding problems in paleoanthropology.”

Likewise Dwardu Cardona ("Flare Star"):

Where and how the Cro-Magnons first arose remains unknown. Their appearance, however, coincided with the most bitter phase of the ice age. There is, however, no doubt that they were more advanced, more sophisticated, than the Neanderthals with whom they shared the land. Living in larger and more organized groups than had earlier humans, Cro Magnon peoples spread out until they populated most of the world. Their tools, made of bone, stone, and even wood, were carved into harpoons, awls, and fish hooks. They were presumably able hunters although, as with the Neanderthals, they would also have foraged to gather edible plants, roots, and wild vegetables. The only problem here is that,as far as can be told, the Cro Magnons seem to have arrived on the scene without leaving a single trace of their evolutionary ancestors.

'When the first Cro Magnons arrived in Europe some 40,000 years ago', Ian Tattersall observed, 'they evidently brought with them more or less the entire panoply of behaviors that distinguishes modern humans from every other species that has ever existed.'"

All of that is consistent with thinking that Cro Magnon man CAME to this planet 45,000 years ago or however long ago that was, and it is not consistent with thinking that man evolved from hominids.

In fact the huge eyes of the oldest groups of creatures on this planet, including dinosaurs and hominids, indicate that this planet was originally an exceedingly dark sort of place. Humans, with the smallest eyes relative to body size of advanced creatures could not have come from such a place.

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=184900

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/neanderthals-large-eyes-led-to-their-downfall-says-study-8532539.html

Those were the kinds of eyes you needed when "darkness was upon the face of the deep"...

Cro Magnons and their descendants are one of what I'd view as the two basic human groups, the other being the familliar antediluvian people of the Bible. The difference has nothing to do with race or color, either group is capable of producing any color or feature you'd ever see in humans. Japanese Ainu, who most view as white, and Australian Aborigines who most view as black, are both Cro Magnon descendants.

The two groups are genetically identical or close enough to that to neglect the differences. They amount to separate saltations from the same source, separated by a large enough space of time that the two cultures and technologies were totally different.

If you wanted to believe that Adam and Eve were descended from Cro Magnons, there is a list of things which the Bible and Jewish literature would have to know about, and which they don't, which would include (at minimum):

• Stone tools. Adam and Eve and their descendants were metal-tech people from day one (e.g., Genesis 4:22). By contrast, human groups descended from Cro-Magnons went on using stone tools until forced out of it by neighbors descended from Bible Antediluvians if they ever stopped at all. Aztecs were using stone knives and weapons when the Spanish arrived even though they used metals for ornaments and purposes other than tools.
• The atlatl, the signature weapon of Cro Magnon people. Biblical accounts know nothing of this weapon; the weapons of the Bible were the sword, the spear, the sling, and the bow. By contrast, the Aztecs, a people descended from Cro-Magnons1, were using atlatls against the Spanish while native Australians continue to use it to hunt kangaroos today.
• Neanderthals and/or other hominids. The Bible knows nothing of hominids. By contrast, the Basque "Basajuan" appears to be a reflection of the Neanderthal and the Australian "Yowie" appears to be some sort of hominid, which native Australians remember.
• An upper Paleolithic world war in which all hominids were exterminated from the planet, or at least from the parts of the planet that humans inhabit in any numbers.
• A primordial era generically referred to [by scholars who study myths and oral traditions] as the "Purple Dawn"; that is, a protracted age devoid of the daylight that we experience today.

Cro Magnon people experienced all of those things and their oral traditions more often than not show traces of them. The basic idea is that the two groups are from the same place, but their arrivals here were separated by thousands of years so that the culture and technology had totally changed by the time Adam and Eve and anybody else who may have come with them arrived.

There is no good word for the people prior to Adam and Eve. The term "Cro Magnon" has been declared a tabu word by scientists because nobody could figure out who all to include; the term "Pre-Adamite" is politically incorrect from being used in racist tracts 90 years ago; and the term "Early Modern Human" includes Skhul/Qafzeh hominids which, in real life, were still hominids and not humans.

Puple Dawn:
http://saturndeathcult.com/the-sturn-death-cult-part-1/a-timeless-age-in-a-purple-haze/

Human/Hominid Non-Relation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe6DN1OoxjE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhFXQHRAzg8

Ganymede hypothesis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p10PiJPEq4
http://cosmosincollision.com

All of this stuff is substantially at variance from 99% of what is taught in schools and also from what you'll find on normal Internet resources. Nonetheless, the stuff they teach plainly doesn't work. For a hominid to have ever evolved into a human, that hominid would need to have:

• Lost his fur while ice-ages were going on.
• Lost almost all of his sense of smell while trying to survive as a land prey animal [fatal]
• Lost almost all of his night vision in an age when night was the only time of day that there was.

If that doesn't sound like a formula for success, then neither should the idea of God creating a creature for a world for which the creature was hideously maladapted. There is nothing in the Bible about God being STUPID.....

Cosmos in Collision does in fact describe the reasons for our planet having been super-dark in ancient times. Kindle is everybody's friend...

http://www.amazon.com/Cosmos-in-Collision-ebook/dp/B00C4MF8UE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1364793440&sr=8-1&keywords=cosmos+in+collision

[varmintman]

Question is, did humans evolve here, get created here, or arrive here? Evidence seems to indicate humans arrived here, at least twice.

[FroggyTheGremlim]

Two groups of humans:

1. Homo sapiens

2. Liberals

[RedHeeler]

Interested?

[OneWingedShark]

Two groups of humans:
1. Homo sapiens
2. Liberals

No, I think it's more like:
1. Male,
2. Female.

[Boogieman]

Really, you’re posting David Icke material here? He thinks we are all evil reptilians from the hollow earth, so why should we give him click revenue?

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I have always said that there can be no way that Rosie O'Donnell and Katherine Zeta Jones can possibly be of the same species. Close but not the same. Lots of other examples.

Sort of like Chimps and Bonoboes.

[Lazamataz]

[Pan_Yan]

For example, the subspecies of the chimpanzee that lives just in central Africa, Pan troglodytes troglodytes, has higher levels of diversity than do humans globally

Now wait one cotton pickin' minute...

[Springfield Reformer]

Thanks for the heads up. Wild stuff. Ick. (Misspelling intended).

[GraceG]

Maybe “God” brought us here from “eden”....

[PapaBear3625]

Danny Vendramini ("Them and Us") notes

Ah, yes. Danny Vendramini, the small-time director and producer with no discernible education in advanced biology (nor much a record as a director or producer), and his cheesy book. Over here is one of the sites debunking him.

[GraceG]

The funny thing is that David Icke’s hypothesis has actually been confirmed in the fringe story from a “terestrial reptillian” named Lacerta....

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_lacerta_files.htm

In it humans are from earth but were engineered or “uplifted” from chimp like ancestors several times by a race called the “Eolihim”. All the various previos “evolutions” of humans nthe fossil records are nothing more than failed attempts at engineering a race and supposedly we are the 7th iteration, where neadertals were the 6th and Homoe Erectus was the 5th etc... etc...

Any the Terestrial reptillians whioch are actually not reptiles as they supposedly derived from the therepod lines, ie.. Brids and pseudo-warm blooded dinosaurs.

And they are at war with some of the extraterrestial races which to confuse things also includes races of reptiles from other worlds....

I take all this with a grain of salt of course, maybe a large salt block, but I find crazy crap like this fascinating.

[GraceG]

Really, you’re posting David Icke material here? He thinks we are all evil reptilians from the hollow earth, so why should we give him click revenue?

Two Words: Valerie Jarrett

HEH HEH HEH

[null and void]

I take all this with a grain of salt of course, maybe a large salt block, but I find crazy crap like this fascinating.

Me too.

[null and void]

Two Words: Valerie Jarrett

HEH HEH HEH

Two more: James Carville

Bwahahahaha!

[Boogieman]

Hmm, with her and James Carville, he might have a case. Still, I’m not buying the rest of it.

[varmintman]

For starters.....

If I had to pick any one thing which standard theories do the least good job of explaining, it's the fact of Cro Magnon complex representational artwork being there from day one of their existence. There is zero evidence of any sort of hominid artwork on this planet and that by itself should eliminate the possibility of humans having evolved from hominids. All that really leaves is humans being created here, or arriving here from elsewhere.

[varmintman]

For starters.....

If I had to pick any one thing which standard theories do the least good job of explaining, it's the fact of Cro Magnon complex representational artwork being there from day one of their existence. There is zero evidence of any sort of hominid artwork on this planet and that by itself should eliminate the possibility of humans having evolved from hominids. All that really leaves is humans being created here, or arriving here from elsewhere.

[M Kehoe]

Good afternoon.

Pan troglodytes

Don't worry Pan, you are not alone. I'm a troglodyte too.

5.56mm

[Wurlitzer]

Highly unlikely any amount of science will quell the Creator vs Evolution food fight. However!

While everything tells me the Creator had 99% +/- to do with what we are today, evolution has, can, and will affect us in the future.

Because we have the ability to save those who would normally die off or never even survive birth, and can choose to kill those we don’t want born, we are interfering with the natural progression of evolution to a point were, IMO, there are more than just 2 sub-species developing but a handful and not all are going to be productive members of society.

Look at all the clans in the mid-east and how their adherence to an insane death cult has stopped ALMOST all of their evolution since that mad man pedophile created Islam.

Other what we have to call Cultures (to be politically correct) maybe actually be deviations in the evolutionary path and just like evolution does in nature not all deviations are positive. Some are much better and some are much worse yet with humans we can preserve those who might very well have never survived to procreate.

Regardless of ones stand on Creator vs Evolution, IMO, our man made interference is producing a multitude of sub-species and boy they are not all good.