Posted on 08/11/2013 2:54:35 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Potential 2016 presidential contender Donald Trump spoke to ABC's Jonathan Karl Sunday morning and reignited the birther issue that he helped spark back in 2011, questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama's birth certificate and wondering whether Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada, was eligible to president. "Was there a birth certificate?" Trump asked. "You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows. And you don't know, either, Jonathan. You're a smart guy, you don't know, either." "I'm pretty convinced he was born in the United States," Karl said. "Ah! Pretty convinced," Trump said, and rolled over Karl's objections that he was 100% sure Obama was an American citizen. "Pretty sure is not acceptable." Trump made Obama's birth certificate a major issue in his aborted 2012 run for the GOP nomination, ultimately leading to Obama releasing his longform birth certificate. Karl asked Trump if the Canadian-born Cruz was eligible for the office. (Cruz's mother is an American citizen.) "If he was born in Canada, then perhaps not," Trump said. "That will be ironed out. I don't know the circumstances. If he says he was born in Canada, that's his thing."
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Also, isn’t it correct that if his mother was married to a Canadian, living in Canada at the time of birth, the child takes the nationality of his father, so the child would then be a dual national. If the mother was just living with a Canadian, and unmarried, the illegitimate child would then be 100% American? We have all had a crash course in the intricacies of citizenship since Usurperville happened in the U.S.
Actually she was married to a Cuban national named Rafael Cruz.
If your British-born husband was naturalized at the time of your son’s birth, there is no doubt that your son is natural born. If your husband was not naturalized at that time,then there are unresolved doubts as to whether he was or was not natural born. His citizenship would not be at question, just his eligibility to the office of President. The term only has legal import under that one circumstance.
What difference does it make after Hussein Soetero?
Hey RegulatorCountry, have you heard about the Outlander book series? I just finished reading them and in one of the books, the main character fights the Regulators in the Battle of Alamance, and I thought... “Isn’t there a Freeper named Regulatorsomething?” I’m a bit embarrassed...I grew up in North Carolina, and it was the first time I ever heard about the Regulators. (thread hijack...apologies...)
I disagree. My son is far more American than the Usurper-in-Chief. Obama actually grew up in Indonesia. I think the ‘natural born citizen’ debate will go on for a long time. Meanwhile, Obama is destroying this once great country and NOBODY is doing anything about it!
The Supreme Court has stated that the Constitution only recognizes two forms of citizenship - citizenship bestowed at birth and citizenship bestowed by naturalization.
Check and mate.
It’s poorly studied but was credited with being the first shots of the upcoming Revolution by many, in the past. Civil War, victors writing the history books, or so I’ve speculated. Same thing happened to Jamestown, which was founded decades before Plymouth.
Yep. My point exactly. I was naturalized 1994. From South Africa. I am a white African Scots American!,
His father was a foreign national, a citizen of Cuba.
I agree with you. We must be factual, and not “wishing will make it so” like the libs.
His father was a citizen of Cuba at the time of Cruz’s birth.
Sorry you are incorrect. Ted Cruz was born a US citizen per Title 8 section 1401 subsection G where he received his citizenship being born of a US Citizen (his mother). Since Mr Cruz was born a US Citizen, he has no requirement to be naturalized and is therefor a natural born citizen.
Correct! I cannot understand why this is such a difficult concept for some folks.
Natural born means born to "TWO" citizen parents. You can be born outside of the territorial limits of the country and still be a "Natural Born" citizen (John McCain). If you are born in this country to "ONE" citizen parent.....you are only born a citizen.....not a Natural Born Citizen!
A born citizen (one citizen parent) can be a Representative, a Senator, a Governor and even a Supreme Court Justice.....but can never be the "Commander in Chief"........ and this is the problem with Obama. His father was not a citizen!
This is why the Constitution included a sunset phrase:
[Article II; section I; Paragraph 5]No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
All of the signers were children of foreign born or English citizens and did not want to exclude themselves from attaining the office of the presidency. But they knew that eventually there would be an ample amount of folks who would be born to "TWO" citizen parents as time went by. So they "sun setted" the regulation in the Constitution. There is no such provision for any other Federal Office in this regard.....other than the Commander in Chief.
Unfortunately, Mr. Cruz is not Natural Born as his father was (at the time of his birth) a Cuban citizen. It doesn't make any difference where he was born.....but to whom he was born!
Cruz is a citizen and has every right as any other citizen born in this country.
What he does not have is the requirement for a job. He is not a natural born citizen (that actually requires him to be born in the continental United States to parents who are both citizens) Natural born isn't a citizenship status IT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR TWO DIFFERENT JOBS in this country(president and vice president)
People used to understand this because they used to actually teach this when they actually taught American History and Civics instead of Social Studies .
McCain flat out knew this too when he decided to run for office. THEY USED TO TEACH THE MILITARY this too. McCain is a citizen but because he was born overseas he did not qualify even though his parents were serving . He is 100% American and there is no doubt about this but the requirement for those two offices were put there to insure we never ended up with someone like who we have now. Natural born is not a citizenship status , it is a job requirement
So what does McCain do ? He has congress redefine what it means to be a natural born citizen. Congress decided that it was ok because he was born on a base (born on a base overseas used to mean you were automatic citizen - born off base used to mean you had a choice to be citizen of this country or citizen of the country you were born in the day you turned 18 and all you had to do was sign a stinking piece of paper )Congress at this time stated that you can be born overseas and HAS TWO AMERICAN PARENTS .No matter how you look at it Obama does not even qualify under how they redefined natural born because his FATHER WAS NOT AN AMERICAN AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH and you can't even try to stretch what they said because fact is Obama's daddy never even became one.
She was married to a Cuban citizen.
Nonsense. His mother's citizenship makes him natural-born. He didn't have to be naturalized. For Pete's sake, why do you look so hard to exclude people?
Because it's the Law??????
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