Russian PM not joking – extraterrestrials live among us according to MIB documentary

exopolitics.org ^ | January 2, 2013. | Dr Michael Salla on

[BenLurkin]

Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev’s off-air comments that Russian Presidents are given a secret file about extraterrestrials living among us created much media interest. Most news reports claimed that Medvedev was simply joking. His apparent reference to the Men In Black movie as a source of information on a super secret agency that monitors extraterrestrials on Earth was commonly cited as key evidence that he was in fact joking. The reasoning is that no political leader would refer reporters to a comedy to clarify national policy. It has now emerged that Medvedev was not referring to the Men in Black comedy after all, but to a recent Russian television documentary titled “Men in Black” that reveals many details about an extensive cover up of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth.

However, a more accurate translation of what Medvedev actually said about the Men in Black phenomenon was: “You can receive more detailed information having watched the documentary film of the same name.” So Medvedev was referring to a Russian “documentary film” titled Men in Black, not the Hollywood blockbuster by the same name...

Russian Men In Black (MIB) documentary, a number of prominent UFO cases in Russia and the USA are discussed. The Roswell UFO crash is covered, along with a number of extraterrestrial abduction cases, and UFOs disabling nuclear weapons facilities. The documentary examines testimony that extraterrestrial bases have been established on Earth, and that some are in restricted US military areas with the full knowledge of the Pentagon. The documentary even goes on to seriously discuss President Eisenhower’s alleged meeting with extraterrestrials, where agreements were reached with some of the visitors giving them permission to take some of the Earth’s resources in exchange for advanced technology...

[Tax-chick]

Very interesting. Am I correct in assuming that these are fictional dialogues, for instructional purposes?

58 and raining. It’s nice to not be freezing in the house, for a change. I need to go to Walmart.

[ArGee]

Very interesting. Am I correct in assuming that these are fictional dialogues, for instructional purposes?

Instructional? Good heavens, no! Who am I to be instructing anyone? This is a story. One day a Pastor where I used to live said, "If I had the gift of healing I would go empty the hospital, not stand in a church and collect an offering." That got me thinking about how it would go if that were to actually happen. This story is the result of those musings turning through my mind.

I like to read the Bible and learn what I can, but I'm no scholar and have no authority or place to be teaching anyone anything.

On the other hand, if this story prompts people to think, that's a good thing. And I'd love to hear those thoughts.

If you haven't been following the story from the beginning, just follow the "reply to" links back to the beginning.

[ArGee]

March 5, 9:10 a.m.
Television Broadcast, WNYC TV News

Sommers:
Mark, what’s the latest from Central Park?

(Cut to Mark Jacobs - Live feed)

Jacobs:
Leslie, things are not as peaceful today as they were for most of yesterday. Police asked people to leave the park at 1 a.m. when it closed. People formed a line on Park Avenue and waited all night. At 6:00 this morning, when police let them in, they rushed to the barricade for the Church.

There was grumbling that people were not able to keep the same place the had in line when they left last night. One man who was very near the front before being asked to leave by the police is very near the end this morning. As you can imagine, he is very unhappy. One woman was knocked aside in the rush for the barricade. Some people stopped to help her gain her footing, but others rushed past her to get a better place in line. The general sense of camaraderie that seemed to be prevalent yesterday isn’t here this morning. There’s more of a competitive feel.

Mr. Nnkoba took his place just before 9:00. Amazed and happy people started coming out almost immediately. No matter how much they may grumble in line, nobody is upset after Mr. Nnkoba has done his work.

(Cut to split screen, Studio and Live Feed)

Sommers:
Pastor Smith mentioned this morning that the Church is aware of the issue of people losing their places in line. Is there any indication they have a solution.

Jacobs:
Not yet, Leslie. Church members have been here throughout the night visiting with people and offering to pray with them. At one this morning they brought in a box of blankets as the March lows can be pretty cold. It’s clear they’re trying to be sensitive to the needs of the people in line. But it’s difficult to make this large a crowd happy, and it’s only going to get worse as the news of what Mr. Nnkoba can do continues to spread.

Sommers:
How are the police responding?

Jacobs:
Their presence was very low-key all day yesterday. I don’t see that has changed today. I think their desire is to allow this to be a Church activity as much as possible. So far the crowd is allowing the Church to get its act together, but it appears their patience has limits.

Sommers:
Thank you, Mark.

Jacobs:
Mark Jacobs, WNYC Live.

[Tax-chick]

By “instructional,” I did mean “prompting people to think”!

My 3rd class last night was about healing. We read the story of Bartimaeus, which we’ve covered in the past. I’m always fascinating by the Lord’s asking Bartimaeus, “What do you want me to do for you?” Supposed he’d replied, “I want fifty talents in gold!” or “I want everyone who has ever mocked or kicked me to be attacked and killed by rabid flying monkeys,” or even, “I want enough money to buy food for the next few days.” Instead, “Your faith has saved you.”

Someone once put up a list of questions Jesus asked, like with the man at the pool of Bethesda (today’s Gospel reading), “Do you want to be made well?” Lots to think about!

[moose07]

Thanks ,Joe. :)
Well...The ‘Stills’ are free to make there own choices.
Better the DeV’l you know, i suppose.

[Tax-chick]

St. Patrick’s Day is on a Sunday, and the Lenten fast, no matter how, specifically, one is observing it, does not apply on Sundays.

If it were on a Friday, abstinence from meat would be expected. However, some Bishops will grant an exception for St. Patrick’s Day celebrations.

[ArGee]

March 5, 4:27 p.m.
Blog post, All Things NYC blog

It seems Mtembo Nnkoba is human after all. This morning he was at his post just before 9:00. He took one short break in the morning before stopping to eat. There was a bit of grumbling as he stepped through the back of the barricade and was escorted to a nearby van where, presumably, his lunch was waiting. He rested only 30 minutes and was back at his post. He took one more short break this afternoon. I was beginning to wonder how he could possibly handle all this work when he finally cracked. He stopped and put his hands on his knees. A ripple of concerned talk went through the crowd, but the Church volunteers reacted as if it were an emergency.

Two people rushed to help Nnkoba to a chair and give him some water and some kind of food. After talking with him for a few minutes, they moved the chair back to his normal position so he could continue to do his healing work, but from a seated position. At least two people have been standing with him since then making sure he drinks and eats occasionally to keep up his strength.

One Church member told me that “Brother Mtembo,” as they like to call him, didn’t want to sit because he knew everyone he saw had been standing in line. Pastor Smith has been trying to explain to him that this could go on for many days, and nobody could be expected to stand that whole time. Still, Nnkoba didn’t relent until he was unable to keep going without the chair.

I asked if Nnkoba felt drained after doing his thing. I wondered if any energy was taken from him to do this healing. The Church member stated emphatically that nothing was coming out of Brother Mtembo except the words and laying his hands on people. All of the healing was being done by God, which took no energy from Nnkoba. They say he feels emotionally for everyone he touches, but he is not drained of energy.

The crowd seems to be more on edge than ever since Nnkoba sat down. There’s a sense that this might not go on forever and nobody knows when it will end. Being last in line is somewhat frightening in light of that.

On a positive note, the Church has bought some of those Tyvek wristbands that are used to indicate paid entry at clubs and other venues. They plan to write a date and a number on each band to mark people’s places in line when Nnkoba has to stop tonight. They say they will enforce these numbers tomorrow morning.

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[ArGee]

Lots to think about!

Indeed. And it's good stuff to think about, which is why I share.

Steven King (who is probably not the first person I'd think of for theological accuracy) once opined that if Jesus had omitted the name, "Lazarus," when he gave his command, "Come forth," that all the graves in the world would have been emptied that day.

[ArGee]

March 6, 6:40 p.m.
Television broadcast, WNYC TV News

Sommers:
Mark, how did the day go in Central Park?

(Cut to Mark Jacobs, Live feed)

Jacobs:
Leslie, as you can see from these clips, it’s been an interesting day.

(Cut to pre-recorded video, Mark Jacobs voice-over)

Jacobs:
The first day of healing in Central Park emphasized hope and excitement. The second day emphasized worry and fear. It started when people found themselves in a very different place in line this morning than they left last night. The rush to get a good spot knocked one woman over and left those in the back grumbling loudly that this was unfair. All worries turned to smiles as Mr. Nnkoba began his healing activities. The results today were just as spectacular as yesterday.

But those waiting in line took little solace in the miracles being performed in front of them. They expressed growing concern that something might cause Mr. Nnkoba to stop before he could get to them. Grumbling was loud at each break Mr. Nnkoba took, and at each of the five ambulance gurneys that went immediately to the front of the line. But there was an almost palpable fear when Mr. Nnkoba nearly collapsed and had to be almost carried to a nearby chair to drink some water and eat some food. Mr. Nnkoba continued his healing from a seated position, but the reality had set in.

Saunders:
(Caption: Liz Saunders, Manhattan) I waited a long time today and I was almost at the front of the line when he collapsed. I was afraid right then it was over. I’ve got - I mean I had - inoperable cancer and I was afraid I was going to have to leave without being healed. Thank God, that didn’t happen, and I can tell from my energy level that the cancer is gone.

In a way, it’s strange. I had come to terms with the fact that I might die. My will was ready and my relatives have information on how to access everything in my estate. But once I was given this hope I realized that I still want to live. To come that close and face the prospect of death again really frightened me.

I understand giving priority to people in ambulances who might die any second. I think it would be good if they did some other prioritization as well. If people in front of me in line today had been sick with colds or something, it would have been really bad to have to miss my chance to be cured of cancer so they could stop having the sniffles.

(Cut to live feed) Jacobs:
So far, the Church has not said anything about further prioritization of the visitors. Except for those in imminent danger, they are still seeing everyone on a first-come, first-served basis. They did hand out wristbands after Mr. Nnkoba finished at about 6:00 this evening. The bands have today’s date and a sequence number. The date is rather ominous as it allows for the possibility that someone who was in line when Mr. Nnkoba finished today could still be waiting at the end of the day tomorrow. But it’s good the Church is working things out. As crowds continue to grow, that scenario is becoming more likely.

(Cut to split screen - Live feed and studio)

Sommers:
Mark, what’s your sense. This is only the second day and the crowds are already becoming unhappy. How is this likely to end?

Jacobs:
I’m a little afraid to consider that, Leslie. You heard from Ms. Saunders that even people who had resigned hope now have hope rekindled. The people waiting in line when the healings stop are going to be unhappy, probably even angry. And this is already a larger crowd than I want to see turned into a mob.

Sommers:
We appreciate your work watching this story, Mark. Have a good night.

Jacobs:
Good night, Leslie. Mark Jacobs, WNYC Live.

[Monkey Face]

I complain often about CFIDS, and bemoan the fact that I have it, but during the course of the disease (24 years at last count) I’ve come to realize that this challenge has been given to me for a reason, and though I can only speculate what that reason is, I often feel I’m not fulfilling my potential.

The disease is not commonly known, and those who know about it have not necessarily encountered it in their lives. The medicos are probably the worst skeptics about it, with family members coming in a very close second.

To say “Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome,” is often to instantly minimalize the disease and its effect on the victim. It is, in a way, my “job” to try and educate people about the disastrous effects this has on ones life.

Sometimes, I’m successful, sometimes I’m a pathetic failure. While I would like to have been able to reach the goals I had when I first started working for the county, I realize that this “job” is far more important. So if you hear me complain, it’s because the disease has overwhelmed me for that day, or that week.

But I have never lost faith that it is for ME to have this, and that I am possibly the best suited to educate others. And that’s the way it is, she sez, getting off her soap box.

:o]

[ArGee]

March 7, 3:17 p.m.
Television Broadcast, WNYC TV News

Dobson:
(Caption: Anita Dobson, Bronx) It don’t make sense. I stand in line for 2 hours yesterday and another 4 hours today. My hips hurt so bad I can hardly stand up. The man behind me got diabetes. The woman in front of us got a sore elbow. Can you believe that? I stand behind a woman with a sore elbow when every second on my feet hurt? Is this Church for real?

Jacobs:
(Off camera.) How are your hips now.

Dobson: They fine. I got no pain. I don’t need these canes no more.

Jacobs, S:
(Caption: Sam Jacobs, Harlem) I don’ know. The woman in front of me was all mad because she said her hips and my diabetes was bad conditions and we shouldn’ have to wait behind those other folks. I ain’ worried ‘bout that. My diabetes is gone. I know it’s gone. I praise God it’s gone. She can be all mad if she want to. I just glad, too glad to be mad, you know what I mean? (laughs)

Jacobs:
How do you know your diabetes is gone?

Jacobs, S:
I know I’m better. I can’t tell you how I know. I jus’ know. I’ll see my doctor for sure, and let him tell me the good news again, but God already healed me. The doctor jus’ gonna confirm it.

Jacobs:
Despite complaints, people are still being healed. But the grumbling has turned to actual protests as this group demands a more fair way to organize the line. Like Ms. Dobson, this group thinks people’s illnesses need to be prioritized, although there’s no clear picture of how they think this should be done. Some people believe it’s the level of pain. Others say it’s the impact on your life. In fact, an argument looked like it might turn violent when people tried to answer that question.

As you can see, the visits by the ambulances are generating more unrest than yesterday. We’ve already had 10 today and people waiting in line have taken to shouting at the EMTs when they bring their gurneys to the front of the line. The police presence is growing as the crowd becomes more tense. The Church may have to change its strategy soon.

(Cut to split screen - Studio and live feed)

Sommers:
Mark, can you describe how the crowd is feeling right now?

Jacobs:
Leslie, it’s starting to have the feel of the gathering for some of the more angry protests I’ve covered. Here, on the afternoon of the third day, people like Sam Jacobs seem few and far between. On the first morning there was nothing but amazement and cheering as every person was healed. Today the healings seem to be hardly noticed. But every little glitch, each break Mr. Nnkoba takes, now seems to bring a big reaction.

Sommers:
Thanks, Mark.

Jacobs:
Mark Jacobs, WCNY Live.

(Cut to break. Return to guest studio)

Sommers:
We welcome back Dr. Samuel Estive, Pastor of NYC Seeker Church.

Estive:
Nice to see you again, Leslie.

Sommers:
Sam, what do you think of these latest developments?

Estive:
It’s human nature that abnormal things become normal rapidly. Whether that thing is a surprise gift, like this healing, or an unexpected trial, like a falling economy, people will soon see it as the new normal. Not only is history filled with examples, but so is the Bible. So it’s not surprising that the focus would have shifted from the healing to the logistical problems they’re having in the line. Maybe this was a little fast, Leslie, but we can’t say it’s unexpected.

Sommers:
Do you think Ms. Dobson is correct, that people with painful hips should be ahead of people with painful elbows?

Estive:
I’m not in a position to judge. I’d have to know what the person with the elbow is expected to do day-to-day, and what Ms. Dobson is expected to do day-to-day. A retiree with painful hips might need healing less than a package delivery person with a painful elbow. But it’s never easy to suffer pain so even the retiree deserves the miracle. I suspect that any prioritization scheme would create problems. Everyone thinks their need is important.

Sommers:
What do you think The Congregation at Central Park Church should do?

Estive:
I’m not sure there’s much they CAN do. Right now, the gift is coming through Mr. Nnkoba. He, and he alone, has to touch and speak to everyone for the healing to happen. He’s moving fast, but the crowd is growing faster. Ultimately it will be impossible for him to keep up. Even if nobody gets in line for the sniffles, as one person put it, people will continue to become seriously ill or injured. Once people begin arriving from overseas the crowd control will be extremely difficult.

But what can they do? Take reservations? That has all the same problems they have now except the people wait somewhere else. Sell tickets to the highest bidder? No true Christian wants to be selling access to the gifts of God. I don’t see anything the Church can do except keep going and see what God has in mind for the end game.

Sommers:
When do you think that will be?

Estive:
I have no way to know, no way to guess. Right now I don’t even know whether I hope it’s sooner or later. This whole thing is beyond me. I’m watching with everyone else, but I’m not sure I’m as excited as I was two days ago.

Sommers:
Thanks again, Sam, for taking time to talk with us.

Estive:
Any time, Leslie.

[ArGee]

But I have never lost faith that it is for ME to have this

It's the hardest faith to have, especially when God doesn't seem to be real big on offering explanations for His decisions. As Lewis says, we are not competent to judge God, but it's hard not to. I knew a powerful preacher with severe rheumatoid arthritis. It was painful for him to turn the pages of his Bible. Why would God do that?

Maybe one day He'll tell me. Maybe He never will. He has no obligation to do so. Same with my questions about your CFIDS. Same with my questions about my mother-in-law's schizophrenia.

But I'd still like to know.

[ArGee]

March 7, 6:02 p.m.
Television broadcast, WNYC TV News

Sommers:
We’re going to go quickly to Mark Jacobs with an urgent development in Central Park. Mark?

(Cut to split screen - studio and live feed)

Jacobs:
Leslie, we’re trying to get a clear shot of what’s happening, but the crowd just surged in the direction of Mr. Nnkoba. Church volunteers and police have tried to push their way through. I can’t tell what’s happening up there.

Sommers:
It’s hard to hear you over the shouting. What lead up to this moment?

Jacobs:
It’s just after 6:00. The Church announced that Mr. Nnkoba would be going home and people started shouting they’d been waiting all day. I’m not sure what triggered the switch from shouting to shoving, and now here we are.

Sommers:
It looks like a full-fledged riot from here.

Jacobs:
As difficult as it is to see from here, I don’t want to jump to that kind of conclusion. But from the sound of things, I’m inclined to agree. I’m going to move back a little here. I’m hoping our SkyNews 1 can be in position shortly to let us see what’s happening.

As you can see now, Leslie, a large number of police are arriving in riot gear. They’re headed to the side of the Church’s area and attempting to push their way to Mr. Nnkoba’s corner. They look like they could be overwhelmed if they aren’t careful. I’m being asked to move back further.

(Cut to split screen - studio and SkyNews 1 view)

Sommers:
Mark, we’re getting the feed now from SkyNews 1, and I can’t see where Mr. Nnkoba might have been standing. There’s no order at all behind the barricade and everyone is pushing. Do I see more riot police arriving?

Jacobs:
That’s right, Leslie. They’re trying to force open an alley down the side of the Church’s area. Police in normal uniforms are pulling people away from the back and pushing them across the sidewalk. As I think you can see, another squad just arrived. We now have three squads of police in riot gear trying to make a path to the front of the area. They’re making progress. I can see … I can see where some of the uniformed police who ran in first have been reached. They look to have been beaten pretty badly. They’re helping each other out of the path as the riot squads continue to force their way in. People back here are starting to react to the bloodied police coming out and they’re backing away. Things are …

Oh, no. Leslie, you need to get a shot from our camera here. That’s Mr. Nnkoba they’re bringing out, and he doesn’t look conscious. Everyone is bruised and bloodied, but the rest are walking. Mr. Nnkobi has his arms around the shoulders of two police, but they’re just dragging him. This is about to get graphic, you need to warn viewers. There’s an ambulance pulling up to my right. The EMTs are running toward Mr. Nnkoba. Oh, this is just awful. They’re putting him on the gurney now, but you can see just how badly he’s been beaten. The police are holding us back from following the EMTs as they load Mr. Nnkoba into the ambulance. This is just … I don’t know what to say. This is just horrible. The police are still trying to quell the crowd, even as the man they’re fighting to see is being driven away in an ambulance.

(Cut to studio)

Sommers:
Mark, we’re stopping your feed. You need to get to a safe place. Those images of Mr. Nnkoba were horrific. I don’t understand why he should have been so badly beaten. We’re just ... Ladies and gentlemen, here at WNYC we can’t express what we’re feeling right now. Three days ago that man was receiving ambulance patients and allowing them to walk away, and we’ve just watched him being taken away by EMTs with no sign of consciousness. I’m sorry … I’m sorry .. Jim, can we cut to a break for a minute. I just can’t talk right now.

(Cut to break)

Sommers:
Ladies and gentlemen, we’ve just witness what appears to be a mob attack against Mr. Mtembo Nnkoba, a man who a few days ago seemed to hold a power of miraculous healing. Today was the third day he met with people who waited in a line in Central Park. When he announced he was going to stop for the night, the crowd became violent.

Mark Jacobs has been at the site since it was set up by the Congregation at Central Park Church. We’re going to Central Park now to see what else Mark has been able to find out.

(Cut to Mark Jacobs - live feed)

Jacobs:
Leslie, Mr. Nnkoba has been taken to the Trauma Center at Bellevue Hospital. A weeping Pastor Richard Smith is following closely behind. As you know, Rick is the Senior Pastor at the Congregation in Central Park Church and Mr. Nnkoba’s Pastor. He did not want to make a comment. The police are still trying to stop the violence in the area where three days ago they had been waiting patiently in line.

Some who were at the back are now standing with shocked looks on their faces. They seem to realize that their opportunity to be healed may be gone. If Mr. Nnkoba does return, it won’t be soon. Some of these who had hoped to be healed may not be able to return. Their grief is palpable, as is the sense of unreality. And I, although I have barely met Mr. Nnkoba, I’ve been a part of what he’s been doing for these last three days almost as much as his Church volunteers have. I am just as stunned as everyone else here.

Sommers:
Mark, we can get information from others on what happens at Central park. Why don’t you go over to Belleview and get what information you can on Mr. Nnkoba’s status.

Jacobs:
OK, Leslie. Mark Jacobs, WNYC Live.

March 8, 9:00 a.m.
Press Release, The Congregation at Central Park Church

For Immediate Release

The Congregation in Central Park Church regrets to announce the death of Mr. Mtembo Nnkoba. Mr. Nnkoba was pronounced dead just after 8:00 p.m. on March 7.

Mr. Nnkoba had received a vision from God on March 1st in which he was instructed to heal all he could reach until it became impossible for him to heal. He was given specific instructions for how to conduct the healing, by laying his hand on the person and repeating the phrase, “It is the Father’s good pleasure to make you whole, in the name of Jesus, by the power of the Holy Spirit.” Mr. Nnkoba was nervous at first and visited two hospital emergency rooms anonymously. His actions caused some difficulties for hospital staff, so the Church agreed to set up a space in Central Park where he could perform the healings.

At approximately 6:00 p.m. on March 7, when Mr. Nnkoba announced he would have to stop for the night, the crowd that had been waiting for healing became a violent mob. The mob rushed Mr. Nnkoba and beat him unconscious before police or Church volunteers could intervene. Police were able to push the mob back so that Mr. Nnkoba could be taken to Belleview Trauma Center, where he was pronounced dead a short time later.

Church staff have contacted Mr. Nnkoba’s next-of-kin in Nigeria. They have requested we repatriate his body and we will honor this request.

A memorial service will be scheduled in the near future. You can check out our Web site at CentralParkCongregation.org for details.

We offer our prayers for Mr. Nnkoba’s friends and family, and we ask for your prayers for our congregation.

Richard Smith, Sr. Pastor
H. Vernon Matthews, Associate Pastor

[Silentgypsy]

Vigorous concurral.

Good morning, y’all! Sunny, bright, frost on the steps and on the ground.

[Monkey Face]

I console mmyself with, “It is sufficient unto me.” I’m not going to question Him, but there are days when I would like to. And then I think of Job, and say to me, “Shame on you for being such a wuss.”

Yepper. Like that.

I’m content with knowing that eventually, I will have the answer. For now, it is for me to play the best I can with a cappy bunch of cards. ;o]

[Silentgypsy]

until you can no longer.

[ArGee]

Maybe it should have been, "until it's no longer necessary?"

From Mtembo's point of view, that's when he stopped.

[Tax-chick]

If we believe that God is our Father who loves us, we must also believe that everything He does or allows is for our good. So, what is our good? Is it financial security? Jesus said, “Blessed are you poor.” Is it earthly happiness? Jesus said, “Blessed are you sorrowing.” Is it ease and health? St. Paul wrote, “I rejoice in my sufferings.”

As I see it, “good” is the salvation and sanctification of every person. What happens to us is intended for our growth in holiness and for our contribution to the holiness of others. More detail ... “Why this, specifically, for me, personally?” ... would not, in my opinion, make things any easier. The natural man has to die and be buried in order to be resurrected, and as Jesus showed us, dying hurts.

[TheOldLady]

Niagara Falls 102 years ago.

Pretty rare occurrence.

The Story...

Her mother had a cousin living in Niagara Falls that year.
She told the family that she and her neighbor’s woke up in the night feeling something was wrong.
It took a while but they finally realized that it was the lack of noise.

They had all become so used to the roar of the falls that the silence was unusual enough
to alert their senses. Of course at that time nearly all the houses were near the falls.

Amazing pictures, more than 100 years old.

Can you imagine walking on Niagara Falls?

1911 Photos of Niagara Falls









And here's my new Mosin-Nagant 1891/30:

[Darksheare]

A Mossy Naggy, muzzle blast like a 2 by 4 to the face.
I hear tell they’re fun rifles though.