Proof Positive - In My Opinion (who created Innocence of Muslims)(Obama)

Youtube ^ | Sept. 20, 2012 | Montagraph

[TigersEye]

Proof Positive - In My Opinion

True Source Found For "Innocence of Muslims." (Obama)

This is a Youtube video produced by user Montagraph who speculated that "Innocence of Muslims" was a false flag op. So did I. He has done a lot of work tracing numerous websites connected to the original uploading of the now famous video. His narrative starts out very slow but give it a chance. He does explain it all in detail and has sourced it all with URLs below his vid.

Montagraph declines to say that his evidence is definitive so you be the judge. The internet tracks end up leading right to one well known Jug-eared Marxist.

[TigersEye]

No, he bases his whole Iranian argument on the bizarre claims of Keshe and his foundation,...

And I said his theory was "out there."

...which I take to likely be some form of over-the-top Iranian government propaganda.

Everyone has a conspiracy theory I guess. lol

And I already pointed out where he misrepresented stuff in this original video of his that you posted.

You showed he was mistaken about one thing, the title of the sequel to Fitna. A point that is irrelevant to connections he made through internet footprint tracking.

And as I also offered, he has zero proof of anything that he claims.

Which he said himself.

[Irenic]

Is this guy paralyzed or handicapped? Or did you just run across this?

It is very interesting but this is a big red flag *ALL TRUTHERS watch the whole video *

I am starting to think this is some giant lulz game and we’ve been inadvertently caught in their net....

I never thought I would see the day I even considered some of this chit! hahaha

But here I sit not very sure of anything any longer.

[9YearLurker]

I also pointed out that he tried to make something sinister about web sites based in FL but hosted in CA.

That’s right, he says in the video it is opinion, but in his title he calls it ‘proof positive’.

I think his digging is useful. I’d like to see some digging on who posted the video where the thugs drag Stevens out, but with the dubbed translation into English all deceptively done so as to make it look like they were trying to take him to the hospital (part of Obama’s original cover story) rather than celebrating their conquest over him.

[TigersEye]

That’s right, he says in the video it is opinion, but in his title he calls it ‘proof positive’.

Titles get people to click.

I think his digging is useful.

Good. That's why I posted this.

[Irenic]

oic, this guy and the other guy are ‘camera whores’—broadcasting little shows etc, a weakness was seen in these two guys and they are also both desirous of attention.

Soooo...

These guys are being mind-f’d for the entertainment of the lulzsec? ebaum? anon?. These fellas did make some interesting discoveries but if the crumbs were laid before them, well...it wouldn’t be as Obey me says—organic, natural.

I think we are dealing with a well organized and planned attack here. Well, at least they are.

[superfries]

not sure but I set up a google alert last night on Monagraph and this came to me this morning. He might be using a voice garbler.

[jusduat]

I’m bookmarking this thread. Obama and Hillery are still
flopping back and forth about the video as cause.
They have all but beat that horse to death and still trying
to use it. I was thinking that they thought it would cover
for her incompetency. Those videos would give a reason for
the finger pointing at video/cause. Lots of loose ends.

[IwaCornDogs]

Yes, he says 3/4 ways into it that he’s had a brain tumor removed and had a brain aneurysm and by all rights should be dead.

[Irenic]

Yeah, I heard that he’s a blessed man. I had posted before I listened to the whole thing. Once I listened to all of it, it appears that a group of lulzs sorts have latched onto him for cruel entertainment and have been tormenting him and the other guy Morph? for a while now.

So I don’t know if the stuff that they’ve found is some trick/game the lulz kids are playing with these guys for their kicks.

They have found some interesting information but it is hard to trust any of their finds if some internet lulz sorts are in the mix.

[Irenic]

Also, I hope these lulz kids don’t push and toy with these two men too hard.

They appear to be conspiracy theorists and perhaps Truthers and I worry they could be pushed over the edge.

I think about that guy who flew his small plane into a bldg in Austin, Texas.

I don’t know how stable and absorbed into their theories and belief that they are battling the gov’t or world order sorts is.

Anyone can be pushed over the edge when mind-f’d too hard.

[superfries]

Whether they are being toyed with or not these guys are on the same level as the ANON crowd as far as cyber.........the bottom line is people who do not want denial of service attacks need to put their web pages on cloud networks and hide their ISPs and that is what this cloudshare (sp?) program does. It keeps folks like anon from hacking and implementing denial of service attacks to keep their websites open and making money. Look at the folks who use are. Now the same can be said for spook ops using this type of cloud web hosting service ......it makes anyone who uses the service appear suspect but in some cases it is just good business sense.

What I find interesting is the tracing of the ISP’s to Chicago!

[Irenic]

That the Chicago trace is interesting. Wasn’t there some big Anon occupiers arrested there? They were supportive of the NOI? something..I will dig up that old story and post it.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Thanks, superfries! I ran across his vid on another forum and took it with a grain of salt but posted it in another thread to get opinion.

Problem is......we are sooooo fed up with being lied to day in and day out. Don’t know WHAT to believe, anymore.

And that....in its self.....is dangerous. (Thanks to the MSM)

Many FReepers, here, are incredibly astute...and can call BS or not.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Thanks, TigerEye. I wanted this to be ‘put through the ringer’ to see if he was ‘on to something’.

I know there are many kooks out there.....but, hey, you never know.

FReepers are EXCELLENT at forensics, digging, and verifying! Beats all I’ve every seen, really. :-)

Thanks for posting.

[Irenic]

Anonymous unmasked: hacker ringleader turned FBI informant

Anonymous and its spinoffs, including LulzSec, could be seriously damaged by the arrests of a half dozen high-level hackers.

By Mark Clayton, Staff writer / March 6, 2012

Another person charged Tuesday, Jeremy Hammond of Chicago, was arrested Monday by the FBI. He is charged with hacking into Strategic Forecasting, Inc. (“Stratfor”), a global intelligence firm in Austin, Texas, in December. He may have stolen confidential information concerning 860,000 people.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0306/Anonymous-unmasked-hacker-ringleader-turned-FBI-informant

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Rose told me that while her son detests Glenn Beck (“He called him a liar”), Jeremy confirmed to her that information that he gathered by hacking buttressed Beck’s claim that some groups, including Anonymous, are working toward trying to “bring down capitalism” in the United States. And while Collins says that her son never told her that any members of the federal government were involved “Jeremy also went to UIC and he bragged that he met with Bill Ayers.” Ayers is the controversial retired professor from University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) who used to be part of the Weather Underground, a 1970s far-left radical group responsible for bombings and other criminal acts in the United States. Ayers and Barack Obama were friends in Chicago, served on the same boards and Ayers even contributed money to Obama’s first campaign.

Collins also said that Jeremy claimed that he was working with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, a black supremacist group in Chicago, as a part of his work with Anonymous, to promote an Islamic takeover of the United States.
http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2012/03/16/hacktivists_mom_has_a_few_questions_for_anonymous/page/full/

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Another story, not sure if we can post any of their stuff (broken link by space between h&t):

h ttp://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-07/news/ct-met-jeremy-hammond-hacker-20120307_1_computer-hackers-mainframe-computer-home-computer/2

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

That’s some pretty crazy stuff. So, who is encyclopediadramatica and what’s their credibility?
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They are a spawn of 4chan.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

why a Copt would endanger his relatives back in Egypt, for an extremely bad movie. I still think it’s too much of a coincidence but certainly an added bonus if the reason was to incite.
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And WHY would ‘the authorities’ parade ‘a figure’ (who we may assume to me this movie maker....totally cloaked, BTW) in a perp walk?????? For all the media to see????

[ConservativeMan55]

I think Obama is a Muslim. Will the antichrist practice "taquia"??

[superfries]

I am fairly new to this cyber stuff....been doing a ton of reading on it lately though......check this out.....this is truly unbelievable....CloudFlare is hosting LulzSec (hackers website) and then they start hacking the CIA and the counter hackers and the CIA try to figure out how to take down LulzSec’s website and tun into CloudFlare......CloudFlare records it all...the govt and white hatters trying to take down LulzSec. But no one asks CloudFlare to take down their shields that protect their clients.

http://www.zdnet.com/cloudflare-how-we-got-caught-in-lulzsec-cia-crossfire-3040095169/

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

This could be a ploy to stop Israel from striking Iran just because of protests over a movie (dumbass public’s perception). Discussion of the Iran nuke facility is all forgotten about now.
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That actually crossed my mind (this morning) as well. New new moon is this weekend.

Thought that this ‘movie’ was ‘waiting in the wings’ to use as a ‘false flag’ to enrage the ME and Israel would think twice before striking (it would further increase the protests). I think the ‘Libya’ mess may have ‘gotten in the way’. JMO.

That’s why I think the statements from the Feds may have been muddled.

Maybe this timing really ‘hit the unfortunate fan’.