To say that you have no conscious choice in the matter denies the free will that GOD granted you.
Posted on 08/03/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by agooga
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from both sides, and I'm used to that.
With the Chick-Fil-A situation, I see both sides of the issue. I support CFA and I support the idea of gay marriage. What I don't support are the tactics used by the left to bully, intimidate, mock, deride and create false narratives to achieve their goal.
I'm angry at the left for creating hatred. I see and hear a lot of it because I have so many gay and liberal friends, and I hate to see them so angry and hateful, and I hate to see them putting out all of that negativity into the world. I feel like it's pollution, seeping out of their mouths and fingertips, spreading and touching us all. I feel like it's hurting us all. I know it's hurting me.
Sometimes I try to explain this to them. I have many Christian friends who are for traditional marriage, and I RESPECT their point of view. I acknowledge the fact that thousands of years of customs and tradition, millions of years of evolution, and various types of traditional upbringing and church doctrine has deeply encoded the idea of man/woman relationships and man/woman marriage on almost all of us. Some of us have been able and willing to make the leap to their side and accept the gay lifestyle as valid, but many of us have not.
My pro-gay friends equate the gay rights struggle with the cvil rights struggle, and there are SOME parallels, but not as many as they would think. Slavery, segregation and other forms of racial discrimination were actually encoded in the laws of the time. There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people-- the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.
Is there prejudice from some in the hetero community? Yes. Is this prejudice based on a belief in one's intellectual or physical superiority? No. It's based on an IDEA, essentially. It's often based on the principle of morality. Traditionalists think that gay people are "doing something wrong" or "doing something that is unnatural." Some heteros think that gay people choose this lifestyle and believe they can change themselves-- but choose not to as an act of rebellion. This is not true.
Gayness is imprinted, in my opinion, just as anti-gayness is imprinted. Neither are clear, conscious choices that we make-- they are largely made for us by our genetics, upbringing, culture or some combination.
I ask that you not hate gay people for this reason.
But I also directly ask gay people and their supporters not to hate you and TRY to understand why traditionalists feel uncomfortable, threatened and even repulsed by the gay lifestyle. And rather than trying to push traditionalists off the edge of the cliff, I ask my pro-gay friends to try to lead these skeptics away from the cliff with respect, tolerance and compassion. So far, this plea has fallen mostly on deaf ears.
I operate under no illusions that we can wave a magic wand and heal the wounds of our nation, largely inflicted by anarcho-radical leftwing 60's retread tactics. But is it just me, or does no one understand that the more you push with brute force, the more the other side digs in it's heels to resist?
Gay marriage will likely be reality in America soon. That issue will be settled in the SCOTUS and it will be all over in a soundbite released on a Friday night before the justices go on summer vacation. I am sure of that. But we still have to live with each other.
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you? And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more? Or is it none of my (or anyone's) business?
IATZ
Core beliefs are not teachable past a certain impressionable age. Children are taught morality. But when an adult professes to be “conservative” and supports arch-liberal causes, that is not “teachable”. That is a core conviction. He has every right to be pro-homosexual. He approves of their behavior and that is his right. But he is not a conservative and no amount of teaching will make him one.
To say that you have no conscious choice in the matter denies the free will that GOD granted you.
You cannot stand as a republican let alone a conservative ans say “well I;m for homo agenda etc”
You again like so many who are infatuated with how they have their sex are showing us that you throw hissy fits, baby tantrums and cannot grasp mentally that people do not approve , not how you have your sex so long as it is private but how you push your perverted sickness
If you support Polygamy, than you surely must support Incestuous Marriage, consenting adults and all that.
I would add Bestiality, but animals are too dumb to consent, much like Democrats.
Nail on head pal.
All they know and how they base their life is how their sex is.
Parades, pride, pushing their sexual turn on’s etc, pathetic.
Rule #1: No poofters!
Rule #2: No member of the faculty is to maltreat the "Abos" in any way whatsoever—if there's anyone watching.
Rule #3: No poofters!
Rule #4: I don't want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out.
Rule #5: No poofters!
Rule #6: There is no... rule six.
Rule #7: No poofters!
EXACTLY, THEY’RE HOMOSEXUALS NOT GAY.
Shame many do call them gay as it onlyt helps their agenda.
I didn’t join FR until I was almost 30. I had plenty of ‘core beliefs’.
But I’d come to a point in my life where I’d started to rethink things. I’d lived long enough to start to see holes in the things I’d been taught. I’d developed a new interest (homeschooling) that opened my mind to a new way of thinking.
John Stossel was older than I was when he woke up. There are many people who convert from liberalism later in life.
“If you aren’t a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you aren’t a conservative by 30, you have no brain.”
That came from somewhere.
No. If someone is open enough to ask the question, they are old enough to be enlightened.
My apologies. I thought your post was directed to the OP.
Is this an intentional non-intentional opus, wrapped in an enigm...
“Well, I don’t know about all of that, but he’s gay Jim.”
I agree with everything you just said.
The Homosexual Population can be best described as lowfat milk - Less Than 2%.
The Homosexual Agenda is only, ever has been, and simply about one single thing:
UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO YOUNG FLESH.
No one is ever born homosexual. There is no homosexual "gene". Homosexuals are recruited, or more accurately, corrupted. And the target recruiting pool is always young flesh.
found the same.
I asked a Doc about this and he told me about all the disease, how that think film from the prostate can be cut open to fecal but the pone which stuck out was when he said about a man sticking it into fecal matter and then having a man suck it off.
He said no matter how much they think they have cleaned their penis there could be fecal matter on that and over time that causes disease
you betcha!!!
Don;t shout about equality when they ignore other kinds of sham marriage.
Don't tell me love when I can love my dog or daughter or even kids but do not want sex or marry them..
Fact is that they put their whole life around their sexual turn on , parades, proud shirts special rights for them.
It's so surreal
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy
***What is it with these bullshit conservatives?
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In response to GOP Proud (Queer eye and RINO guy for the TPP) ^ | Nov 14, 2010 | Jim Robinson
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:13:16 PM by Jim Robinson
There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people— the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.
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I fully agree! ...In particular, marriage is not a ‘right’. It’s like a driver license or hunting license; dependent on meeting the individual States’ prerequisites to get approval of an application for marriage within each State. It is not a Federal issue in any way.
Thanks for your posting, as it showed a lot of thought on the matter on your part. ...I do, however, disagree with your comment that genetics plays a role in people turning to homosexuality.
I Nominate This For The New Undead Thread!
Do I Hear An Amen?
I second that demotion!
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