Posted on 08/03/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by agooga
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from both sides, and I'm used to that.
With the Chick-Fil-A situation, I see both sides of the issue. I support CFA and I support the idea of gay marriage. What I don't support are the tactics used by the left to bully, intimidate, mock, deride and create false narratives to achieve their goal.
I'm angry at the left for creating hatred. I see and hear a lot of it because I have so many gay and liberal friends, and I hate to see them so angry and hateful, and I hate to see them putting out all of that negativity into the world. I feel like it's pollution, seeping out of their mouths and fingertips, spreading and touching us all. I feel like it's hurting us all. I know it's hurting me.
Sometimes I try to explain this to them. I have many Christian friends who are for traditional marriage, and I RESPECT their point of view. I acknowledge the fact that thousands of years of customs and tradition, millions of years of evolution, and various types of traditional upbringing and church doctrine has deeply encoded the idea of man/woman relationships and man/woman marriage on almost all of us. Some of us have been able and willing to make the leap to their side and accept the gay lifestyle as valid, but many of us have not.
My pro-gay friends equate the gay rights struggle with the cvil rights struggle, and there are SOME parallels, but not as many as they would think. Slavery, segregation and other forms of racial discrimination were actually encoded in the laws of the time. There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people-- the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.
Is there prejudice from some in the hetero community? Yes. Is this prejudice based on a belief in one's intellectual or physical superiority? No. It's based on an IDEA, essentially. It's often based on the principle of morality. Traditionalists think that gay people are "doing something wrong" or "doing something that is unnatural." Some heteros think that gay people choose this lifestyle and believe they can change themselves-- but choose not to as an act of rebellion. This is not true.
Gayness is imprinted, in my opinion, just as anti-gayness is imprinted. Neither are clear, conscious choices that we make-- they are largely made for us by our genetics, upbringing, culture or some combination.
I ask that you not hate gay people for this reason.
But I also directly ask gay people and their supporters not to hate you and TRY to understand why traditionalists feel uncomfortable, threatened and even repulsed by the gay lifestyle. And rather than trying to push traditionalists off the edge of the cliff, I ask my pro-gay friends to try to lead these skeptics away from the cliff with respect, tolerance and compassion. So far, this plea has fallen mostly on deaf ears.
I operate under no illusions that we can wave a magic wand and heal the wounds of our nation, largely inflicted by anarcho-radical leftwing 60's retread tactics. But is it just me, or does no one understand that the more you push with brute force, the more the other side digs in it's heels to resist?
Gay marriage will likely be reality in America soon. That issue will be settled in the SCOTUS and it will be all over in a soundbite released on a Friday night before the justices go on summer vacation. I am sure of that. But we still have to live with each other.
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you? And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more? Or is it none of my (or anyone's) business?
Hey...you happen to have one you have been hiding under your bed?
When you find one, let me know who it is and I'll gladly vote for him.
Until then, we have a choice, four more years of the bamster or four yeas of a lib we can maybe mold and keep in line our Constitutional beliefs.
Yeah it sucks, but it is the reality...for now anyway.
This boat has been headed in the wrong direction for a long time, it isn't going to be turned around on a dime.
They've been at this for a hundred plus years, how long do you think it will take to turn it around?
LOL, thanks a lot! Diet Mt. Dew up the nose!
There is no such thing as gay marriage - just as there is no such thing as a square circle.
Romney can drop out now.
That is a perfect tagline! May I borrow that?
And then what?
An open convention is magic. You've never seen one in your life.
“Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy.”
It is in fact, impossible. If you support gay marriage, you’re not a conservative, period. Since you’re agnostic, maybe this will get your attention:
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
That should be enough right there, aside from the fact that it offends Almighty God, from whom all natural rights come.
You have as friends professional fags?
At the least they are disturbed individuals. At the worst, they are sandusky/jeffry dahmer monsters.
Wrong place to sell this crap.
“So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you?”
No.
“And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more?”
No.
“Or is it none of my (or anyone’s) business?
Or is “what” none of your or “anyone’s” “business”?
If you want me to understand your question, define, specifically 1. “it” 2. “anyone” 3. “business”. (Alternatively, refer to my “no” of the second question.)
Essentially a thread displaying vapid self-absorbtion. Dime a dozen.
I for one agree: necrophiliacs oughta be free to marry the dead, and bestialists free to marry their horses!
How is a decade-long FReeper now a troll? I disagree with his views, but I understand how someone who believes in personal-responsibility and less government interference could become confused on this issue.
I came to FR a complete RINO. I didn’t know a damn thing about honest conservationism.
I honestly asked questions just like this and I received honest, thought-out lessons as replies. This is what made me a conservative. NEVER did I get slammed for saying, “this is how I’m seeing it. Is there something that I’m missing?” When I voiced my opinion and I was flat-out backwards, a half dozen FReepers would teach me - with logic and patience - the error of my ways.
And that is the FReeper that I’ve tried to become.
Now we scream ‘troll!’ and throw tomatoes. I’ve seen this more and more lately.
Where have all the TEACHERS on FR disappeared to????
When did we stop rationally defending our viewpoints and start acting like the DU?
Had this guy been with us for just a few weeks or months, I could see it. But he’s been here for 10 YEARS.
I miss my teachers.
Nope, and neither have you...and we ain't going to see it this time around either.
Wishing and hoping and dreaming.......
Wonderful post.
As I explained to my daughter, “Would you allow a schizophrenic to marry his broom?”
I believe a foot fetishist should be allowed to marry any number of feet he wants, of either sex, left or right, any age, any size, any species, attached to an active blood supply or dead, amputated or operating as a functional unit, fragrant or smelly, shoe-clad or bare, club or not.
Just like Adam Smith, you don’t seem to understand yourself. He doesn’t understand that the hater is in his shaving mirror. You don’t understand that your “tolerance” is in fact intolerance. You say “heteros” and THEN you say “gay”. “Gay” is an invention, and a linguistic corruption. The word for that behavioral deviation is, GASP!, “homosexuality”. They are homosexuals, or “homos”, get it?
Where have the teachers gone? In part, they have been dying off or giving up. Others are so busy fighting the good fight, they do not have the time to post. Sadly, many no longer have the patience to teach. Any attempt to do so any more yields, at best, a vitriolic response from the prospective student. Honestly, I think many of those you would have labeled teachers are still here, they have simply become silent in self-defense.
* This is my opinion and not necessarily the truth *
Yep—”gay” is such a pleasant little word, but so misleading when applied to sodomites. Their lifestyle is misery, disease, and death.
You gonna’ let a leftwingtard baby killing homosexual marrying death panel dealing politician keep you down?
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