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Ohio's Mysteries: The Old Stone Fort
nbc4i.com ^ | July 23, 2012 | Anon

Posted on 07/24/2012 5:51:29 PM PDT by Pharmboy


It's believed to be the oldest building in Ohio, and possibly the Midwest. But the mystery remains: who built it and why?

COSHOCTON, Ohio -- It's believed to be the oldest building in Ohio, and possibly the Midwest – built nearly a century before the American Revolution. But the mystery remains: who built the Old Stone Fort and why?

On an ordinary plot of farm land on County Road 254 in eastern Coshocton County sits what is arguably one of the most important buildings in Ohio history.

It is believed that the Old Stone Fort was built sometime around 1679.

As important as it is, however, hardly anything is known about the Old Stone Fort.

For example, no one knows who built the fort or why.

It's generally believed that it was built by Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville.

He was a French Canadian and brother of the founder of New Orleans.

It's believed that he traveled the nearby Tuscarawas River and built the fort to guard against the English in the fur trade battles.

Then, there's the George Croghan scenario.

He was an Irish fur trader working for England who moved into the Native American territories to trade furs with the Delaware tribe.

He was not born until 1718, which would mean that if built by Croghan, the fort isn't as old as presumed.

There's also the theory that the fort was built by unknown settlers as a way to defend themselves against the native tribes.

There are rifle ports on all sides, and archaeological digs have found evidence of a stockade.

Then, there's yet another theory.

"I'm going to get tarred and feathered and ran out of Coshocton, because I don't think it was a fort," said Margaret Lowe.

Lowe has studied the fort all her life and said she believes it was not nearly as historic as a fort or outpost, but it may have just been part of a farm.

"I think it was probably, and again, this is written during one version, that it was used as a spring house. Another version was that it was used for a meat house," Lowe said.

Could it have been all of the theories over the years?

In the French Canadian version, the fort was built nearly 100 years before the American Revolution, and oral history handed down over generations say it was built as early as 1800.

In 1918, a farmer dug up a French compass while plowing near the fort. In 1880, there was a tornado in the closest town of Evansburg, destroying the town, but the fort survived.

The town, named after the people who lived there, was never rebuilt.

Over the centuries, the fort was rebuilt after falling into disrepair.

Part of the doorway is preserved at the local museum, and the wood looks ancient.

It is only 14 square feet inside, and doesn't appear to have been used as living quarters.

At one time there was a ladder heading up to a second floor, but now the fort is boarded up.

What the Old Stone Fort has given the neighbors is a sense of wonder.

"I would have loved to have seen the stockade around it," said Dan Markley, a local historian. "This fort, everybody has a different opinion as why it was here and it's just a mystery. If you could find just one person, somewhere along the line who could give you a true answer."

Another mystery surrounding the fort is the owner. It's not clear who owns the building today.

Locals want to know the history, but likely will take their theories to the grave, never having an answer.


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To: muawiyah; Nailbiter
Interesting, thanks for the info.

From the article:

Then, there's the George Croghan scenario.

He was an Irish fur trader working for England who moved into the Native American territories to trade furs with the Delaware tribe.

He was not born until 1718, which would mean that if built by Croghan, the fort isn't as old as presumed.

Croghan was, I think, a character mentioned in Alan Eckert's 'The Frontiersmen'. Eckert gives plenty of ink to the Iriquois in that, and even more to the Shawnee. But it's really Tecumseh and Simon Kenton's story.

If you haven't read the book (and can withstand the fact that it's a 'historical novel', if not actual fact), it's an amazing story.

61 posted on 07/24/2012 11:07:22 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: Pharmboy
I beleive the answer to this is totally discoverable.

The date may be totally in error....ignore it. It's a trap of a sort.

One DEFINITE pointer is the French compass found near the "supposed" fort along with the knowledge that the French built Fort after fort along the Ohio...convenience being the key....

Bet I can figure this one out and find it on an old map in less than 30 days.

62 posted on 07/25/2012 2:00:55 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Pharmboy
I believe the answer to this is totally discoverable.

The date may be totally in error....ignore it. It's a trap of a sort.

One DEFINITE pointer is the French compass found near the "supposed" fort along with the knowledge that the French built Fort after fort along the Ohio...convenience being the key....

Bet I can figure this one out and find it on an old map in less than 30 days.

63 posted on 07/25/2012 2:01:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: IncPen

http://ohiocountry.us/index.php?p=1_5_Croghan-Reappraisal

Lots of good information about George Croghan here, I havent read much about him, he is mentioned frequently in my old books about Westmoreland County PA


64 posted on 07/25/2012 3:59:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: mylife

Interesting!

My hometown
http://www.hannastown.org/
http://www.hannastown.org/hannastown/index.cfm
The court system held here after 1771 was the last site of English (the King’s) law built west of the Alleghenies

My ancestors who built and lived there were the first sheriff (Matthew Jack) and the tavern keeper (Joseph Erwin), the jail and tavern being 2 of the builidngs that survive


65 posted on 07/25/2012 4:10:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Pharmboy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nouvelle-France_map-en.svg


66 posted on 07/25/2012 4:22:52 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: IncPen
Simon Kenton settled down for a while with one of the Collins girls ~ wild woman Fur Shur ~ as were all her sisters.

That makes me and Simon's chillun' COUSINS!!!

Read all about him.

67 posted on 07/25/2012 4:23:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: max americana

Wish we had lat/long on this so I can see the surrounds.


68 posted on 07/25/2012 4:27:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Pharmboy

1679....That puts us in the LaSalle exploration period.


69 posted on 07/25/2012 4:28:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: The Working Man

There are a number of ways to break limestone out of the matrix ~ then you trim it. It doesn’t travel far on horseback BTW, so someone can probably find where the rock came from then measure the weathering and come up with a pretty good date!


70 posted on 07/25/2012 4:30:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: aposiopetic
Yes ~ you realize this is hard work because I have to examine the street layouts ~ very tedious. There are some towns that've managed to keep the old plaza ~ usually as a park. Seymour Indiana appears to have been TWO TOWNS and has two separate layouts, with their own plazas.

It was later part of a major land purchase by a group of Swedish noblemen (almost all Swedes are noblemen of course).

Although all of its history starts with that purchase, the "RENNO" on the oldest map, right there adjacent to the fording spot on the White River, means, en espanol, REINDEER! About 5 miles from that spot is the only location known in Indiana to have a plant called REINDEER MOSS, vital to their survival.

The Ten O'clock line begins just outside of town at the Indian council circle ~ so this was a rather important spot in between Indian lands and American lands. Earlier, this was the Northernmost part of the Louisville French furniture complex, and before that it was settled by people who lived in quite primitive log cabins (Indian or Spaniards ~ ). The main business was fur and possibly native copper (once available in this area) and possibly aluvial gold ~ now all worked out.

The money guys in Europe who bought large tracts in America were frequently in possession of old maps that identified valuable farm lands, potential mineral wealth, useful rivers and lakes.

DeSoto, who crossed the Mississippi at Evansville Indiana, sent a wagon cross country to just NE of Seymour ~ to roughly the Whitewater park area ~ and came back with a pile of iron pyrite (fool's gold, but actually an important source of iron for the Spanish) and some native copper. That was in 1541.

NOTE: Back in the day before DesIsles drew his maps the Mississippi took a big right turn and became what we now call the Ohio ~ which, BTW, provides 90% of the flow in the Mississippi. Always keep this in mind when you read the old stuff ~ their idea of where the Mississippi was located is really different than our own.

71 posted on 07/25/2012 4:51:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sacajaweau
I Google mapped "county road 254 Coshocton, OH" and followed the short road via the satellite view, but could not find the stone fort for sure (I think I can see it to the west of the upper part of the road). However, that view should give you a fairly accurate long./lat.
72 posted on 07/25/2012 4:57:21 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: muawiyah; Sacajaweau

Can’t we tell anything from the style of construction? Time period? Country of origin? Thanks...


73 posted on 07/25/2012 5:02:31 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: mylife
If it was French it could date to no older than the date Jolliet and Marquette ventured SOUTH out of French territory into Spanish territory ~ which would be 1673.

They are the fellows who discovered the ROUTE TO THE MISSISSIPPI, which was already well known, just no one knew how to get there from the Great Lakes ~ maps of the day show a void of sorts.

After that discovery the French became a big pain in the tail to the Spanish ~ otherwise known as erstwhile allies!

Earlier Cardinal Carvajal in Spain averted a schism with Rome by convincing Philip I to allow ALL THE ORDERS to go to the Americas to seek Indian converts.

So, Joliette took along Father Marquette because.... ta da ..... he was allowed to be there (per the deal with King Philip earlier) ~ so there'd be no questions if they ran into Spanish gold hunters or peddlers.

You really have to read through the Treaty of London (1604) to understand the division of lands among the French, Spanish, Portuguese and Scotland ~ and then the part allocated to the Protestants (not England BTW, but all the Protestants with the exception of the Dutch) ~ that's where the English colonies started.

Earlier than 1604 it's all Spain all the time. They moved into the Mississippi Valley quickly, and penetrated every useful river in their search for gold or other wealth.

Hapsburg surveyors laid down benchmarks to demarkate King Philip II/III's lines ~ and that includes the current border between New York and PA in the early 1600s (some of their surveyors got caught up in a battle circa 1613). That line extends all the way to the point on Cape Cod and forms the basis for the Massachusetts/CT and RI state lines. Virginians are all familiar with the baseline stones placed along the cordilera of the Appalachians to set the bounds between the Eastern Protestant preserve and Spanish lands to the West.

Virginia extended South to what is now the NC line, and everything South of there in 1609 was still Spanish territory. A baseline was set there as well.

Some of these baselines appear to have been set up over enormous distances, and mostly by the same group of surveyors.

The Spanish survey was completed by the 1650s. Later surveyors actually respected the earlier work of the Spanish. Take a good look at Coshockton County ~ see how crooked it is? That's because it's obviously a Spanish Land Grant for somebody ~ and it got surveyed. That's First Class Top Soil in that area ~ so that was prime land. Later surveyors ~ most likely the Washington family ~ kept the Spanish lines.

NOTE, I'm not discounting work by the French in that area, but they'd barely ventured into the area South of the Great Lakes when the English started to really push on them which necessitated keeping the courier du bois in line so they didn't entice the English back to the homeland. By 1754 that was all over ~ the English took the whole thing and kept the French at home in Quebec.

74 posted on 07/25/2012 5:14:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mylife
The earlier farming was by Indians. There's an area there to the West with dozens of Indian villages. They'd been surrounded by miles of corn. Earlier Europeans (my take is they were Spanish) introduced wheat, barley and rye so you'd have the same Indians growing that to trade with passing Europeans.

Widespread European farming didn't get going until just some time after the French and Indian War ~ in this area.

75 posted on 07/25/2012 5:17:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
It will haunt them to the end of their days. That's not far from ARCOLA ~ which completely disappeared in the great maw of Cleveland's development. But the name is still there in the right spot.

That name occurs in many places ~ and it denotes very early European interest ~ very early!

76 posted on 07/25/2012 5:20:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
It will haunt them to the end of their days. That's not far from ARCOLA ~ which completely disappeared in the great maw of Cleveland's development. But the name is still there in the right spot.

That name occurs in many places ~ and it denotes very early European interest ~ very early!

77 posted on 07/25/2012 5:21:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
It's simply the Eastern entrance to a land grant ~ a huge swath of land given to an individual to develop.

East of there is a town worth looking at ~ Newcomerstown ~ somebody called the earliest German settlers "newcomers" ~ they've since made sure all the local history books start with them!

78 posted on 07/25/2012 5:25:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Pharmboy

The building is a barn. The stockade was in reality animal pens.

The rifle ports might be rifle ports and the barn a redoubt in case of attack by the savage natives


79 posted on 07/25/2012 5:26:13 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Pharmboy
Style ~ the Europeans have been chopping rock and building stone buildings for maybe (latest word) a good 20,000 years ~ or more even ~ but certainly since big ice stopped advancing and began withdrawing!

There are some basic conventions anyone can learn, and do. Don't worry about how they fit ~ just cut rectangular hunks.

Then, as you build trim to fit.

It'll look just great!

80 posted on 07/25/2012 5:30:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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