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De Soto discovery could change history books
Ocala [FL] Star Banner ^ | July 8, 2012 | Fred Hiers

Posted on 07/09/2012 7:05:53 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands

Hernando De Soto's route through Florida is as elusive to modern archaeologists as the gold the famed Spanish explorer sought throughout the southeastern United States.

Ever since De Soto's 600 men set foot on the shores of Tampa Bay, arriving from Cuba almost 500 years ago, historians have debated the exact direction of his failed treasure-hunting expeditions as far north as Tennessee and North Carolina.

But in north Marion County, an archaeologist has found what his contemporaries deem rarer than the gold De Soto was seeking — physical evidence of the explorer's precise journey through Marion County and enough information to redraw Florida De Soto maps and fuel many more archaeological digs based on his findings.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocala.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 1540; archaeology; desoto; florida; godsgravesglyphs; hernandodesoto; mauvilla; tampa; tampabay
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1 posted on 07/09/2012 7:06:02 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 07/09/2012 7:07:08 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

Living in Desoto county MS, I can only say he walked through my living room on the way to the Mississippi


3 posted on 07/09/2012 7:08:49 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth, Sadly Not the Presidency It Seems)
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4 posted on 07/09/2012 7:11:46 PM PDT by Paladin2
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Engraved-on-His-hands. It's a George Costanza moment. :')

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 7:13:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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6 posted on 07/09/2012 7:16:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

What???

They found a 500 year old desoto in florida?

Does it run?


7 posted on 07/09/2012 7:17:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Sybeck1
Living in Desoto county MS, I can only say he walked through my living room on the way to the Mississippi

As I understand it--based upon reliable, historical sources--De Soto wasn't trying to reach the Mississippi. He was traveling to see the ducks at the Peabody Hotel.
8 posted on 07/09/2012 7:20:36 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: editor-surveyor

What a silly question! The gas has turned to jelly dust and the battery is dead as a doornail. How could it run? The crew used alcohol mix with gas so the gasline tubing is all shot, too. Besides, no one knows where the ignition key is.


9 posted on 07/09/2012 7:21:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Paladin2

Long stroke 383.

‘59 was the only year they built that engine.


10 posted on 07/09/2012 7:22:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Paladin2
damn if it don't look like the offspring of a Chevy and a Chrysler
11 posted on 07/09/2012 7:23:59 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

Interesting story! I believe it was De Soto’s contact with the Timucua Indians where De Soto described how the Indians would take the scalps of slain enemies as war trophies, putting to rest the false claim that the Indians learned it from the white man many years later.

Also, I had an old New Mexico history book that claimed when Coronado looked for Grand Quivara in Kansas he heard of whites to the South East and tried to make contact. He failed.
It also mentioned he left behind two priests at their behest to convert the Indians. They even built a chapel on the plains, but when they wanted to go and convert a neighboring enemy tribe, their own Indian converts killed them.


12 posted on 07/09/2012 7:25:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: MHGinTN

The key is hidden in granny’s asefedita bag.


13 posted on 07/09/2012 7:25:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor

You sneaky rascal ...


14 posted on 07/09/2012 7:26:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Paladin2

Loved Virgil Exner’s “Forward Look”-particularly the ‘57-’58 models.


15 posted on 07/09/2012 7:34:05 PM PDT by Carl LaFong (Vera the possum is US.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

OK, I admit it...I clicked on this because I thought it was a car thread.


16 posted on 07/09/2012 7:40:00 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Paladin2
Beautiful car! I had two Plymouth Furies, a 57 and later on, a 58, both essentially identical to the DeSoto body style. I thought it was the most beautiful U.S. body style I had ever seen. The Furies had the 318 V8, with not just a 4-barrel, but TWO of them. I saw over 110 MPH a couple of times, but with the 58, I finally changed manifolds and went back to a single 4-barrel rig. Still got only 12 mpg or so. That gold stripe down the side (only Furies had it) was a cop magnet.

The movie "Christine" was a disappointment. The factory in Evansville, IN never built a red Fury. All of them in both model years were "Desert Sand" when delivered, which went perfectly with the gold anodized stripes and grille. Seeing your picture takes me back over 50 years . . .

17 posted on 07/09/2012 7:48:03 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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I especially like the windshields from that era.

No blocking A-pillars and easy to look up for cop planes trying to nab ya.

18 posted on 07/09/2012 7:51:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands; SunkenCiv; All
The Gainesville Sun has been running several article on De Soto for the past several days. Good stuff, I think they will have a few more.


Lost mission revealed


19 posted on 07/09/2012 7:52:24 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
That's actually a story from 16th century Virginia ~ long before the Spanish had figured out the place was in the grip of an enormous drought.

Now, about crossing "The Great River', as we all know today the Great River flows West from the confluence of the Monongahela and Allegheny to Cairo illinois and then Souf' to N'orlans etc.

That is 90% of the flow into the Mississippi comes from what is today called the Ohio River ~ and that fact must have been quite apparent to the Indians.

There is an old theory that has DeSoto wandering about Tennessee, then crossing to Arkansas, then getting killed. A more modern theory has DeSoto abandoning the Florida coast and marching straight North to the Western slope of the Appalachians (missing hurricanes no doubt), and on to Green River Island (at the outflow of the Green River in Kentucky into the Ohio) Where he could make a fairly safe river crossing ~ well protected against Indian attack as well.

At that point he would have encountered his first large Mound Builder village. Later, as he moved up through the rather sparse landscape of drought damaged Southern Indiana (same drought hitting Virginia) he'd been in the open and able to see highlands where he'd be safe from any floods, or Indian attacks.

In this theory he stops at what are now Vincinnes and Terre Haute and describes features still visible ~ e.g. fish hatching ponds!

Although he never found the gold mines he did find iron pyrite, and at that time that indicated that there'd be sufficient iron to make iron implements (near a place known today as Laurel Indiana ~ arguably 'la villa real' from later Spanish interest ~ take a look at the layout) AND, there'd be enough residual gold in the process to command a nice profit. He also discovered some native copper lying about left over from an early Ice Age advance ~ and I know exactly where that spot is!

For some reason or other his forays into Southern Indiana to the East of his line of march missed the only gold ever found in quantity in the MidWest! It wasn't cleared out for another 3 centuries.

The Arkansas first theory has to ignore the native copper and iron pyrite stories.

20 posted on 07/09/2012 7:53:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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