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Posted on 06/12/2012 2:57:35 PM PDT by saminfl

I have a new Dell desktop with Windows 7 operating system. There are certain features about that system i hate, such as Windows Live mail. Can I install the hard drive from my old Dell Desktop with XP Professional into a vacant slot and boot from that when i want to?


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1 posted on 06/12/2012 2:57:45 PM PDT by saminfl
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Why not just disable WLM?


2 posted on 06/12/2012 3:03:31 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: saminfl

Why not just disable WLM?


3 posted on 06/12/2012 3:03:31 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: saminfl

This does not answer your question directly but I run Office 2003 including Outlook on my Windows 7 laptop. Works just fine.


4 posted on 06/12/2012 3:04:18 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: saminfl

You can turn off features you don’t like in windows 7,don’t see Windows live mail in my version?


5 posted on 06/12/2012 3:04:55 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: saminfl
Can I install the hard drive from my old Dell Desktop with XP Professional into a vacant slot and boot from that when i want to?

I don't think so. Windows is finicky about the boot sectors of the drives. It would be great if you could, though.

6 posted on 06/12/2012 3:05:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: saminfl

I believe that I saw something about booting from an auxiliary hard drive on Kim Komando’s website. Go to komando.com and do a search. You might get lucky.


7 posted on 06/12/2012 3:11:52 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: saminfl
"Can I install the hard drive from my old Dell Desktop with XP Professional into a vacant slot and boot from that when i want to?"

Unfortunately no, not without a lot of very hairy and very difficult tweaking.

But, you can, with little difficulty, uninstall or disable Windows live mail.

If you have not yet installed a second hard drive for backups, you should do so. Then back up the entire C drive, so you can restore it if you really mess up some day.

8 posted on 06/12/2012 3:14:07 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: saminfl

Yes.

When the machine first starts after a boot, you’ll see some sort of Dell screen and somewhere on it you’ll which which function key (F1, F2, etc.) you need to press at that point (before it starts booting windows off the hard drive) in order to go into Setup mode. (something like F12=Setup).

If you’re not quick enough, the BIOS will finish doing it’s thing and start booting Windows from the hard drive. You’ve got to be pretty quick. If you miss it and Windows starts booting, you can usually hold down Ctrl-Alt-Delete simultaneously (3-finger salute) which will Reset the machine so it starts booting again without stopping the power going to the mother board so the disk drives will not spin down but just have their initialization routine called by the boot as they normally do.

Once you successfully hit the setup key during the BIOS boot routines, that will put you into the BIOS (firmware on a chip on the motherboard) setup program. It will be a fairly straightforward menu navigation. There will be a menu option that says something like Boot Options; you can select that and somewhere on that screen change the order in which boot devices are attempted.

Do a Save and Exit, which will do another system restart and boot off the devices as you directed it to in Setup.

Of course, you have to physically install the hard drive first for it to be seen by the BIOS Setup.


9 posted on 06/12/2012 3:15:54 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: saminfl

I might be saying something you already know but never let Windows handle your e-mail. Presently, I am using Mozilla Thunderbird which is free and has enough functionality to serve most needs. Anytime I had crashes under Outlook or Outlook Express, the saved e-mails were no longer recoverable.

For older users, there is a freeware program called Calypso that did very well on my older Windows NT system.


10 posted on 06/12/2012 3:23:17 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: saminfl
Can I install the hard drive from my old Dell Desktop with XP Professional into a vacant slot and boot from that when i want to?

You can do that, however, it may not work due to driver issues. Video is usually a problem, as well as audio, network, etc,etc. You may get a blue screen of death as well if you try it.

If it gives you problems try booting in safe mode with it, then install the correct drivers to match your new machine.

11 posted on 06/12/2012 3:23:36 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: saminfl

Usually there’s a place in the BIOS Boot Options to tell it

a) whether or not to present a menu of boot devices (this will make the machine wait for the user to select a boot device)

b) also how long to wait on the boot menu for the user to select a boot device when booting. Once the wait time has expired, the machine will simply boot off the default device.

Typically you make the wait time pretty sure to save time at boot time and you select the default device you really want to be the default. This way you don’t have to do anything during the boot and it avoids a long wait for user input.


12 posted on 06/12/2012 3:26:22 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

bump. There’ll never be another XP.


13 posted on 06/12/2012 3:30:26 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Not necessarily. While it is possible to set up a system to boot from alternate boot devices, the problem is going to be the drivers. I am sure there will be different hardware in the new system than was in the old system - just how different will determine if you will be successful. And even if you can get it to boot, you would probably not have full functionality.

You would be better off doing a clean install of XP on the new system, assuming that you can find the XP drivers for the hardware on the new system.


14 posted on 06/12/2012 3:30:51 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: saminfl

Here is a decent article for setting up a dual boot.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/8057-dual-boot-installation-windows-7-xp.html
Adding a hard drive from another machine is a bit trickier.
You’ll need to remove all system drivers, video, sound, etc. then boot off your XP disc and do a repair.
With that completed, you simply reinstall all the system drivers.
Of course, this assumes you have a bootable XP installation CD.
As it’s a Dell, chances are you only have a recovery CD.


15 posted on 06/12/2012 3:31:47 PM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: saminfl

There are some work arounds.

You might consider running XP on a virtual machine in your Win7 system.


16 posted on 06/12/2012 3:34:14 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: saminfl

I feel your pain. XP is a wonderful thing.
But why do major fiddling with a machine when you can just tool around in basic tool functions and disable what you don’t like?
Get Thunderbird (free and easy email program from Mozilla) and avoid Live mail, hotmail, and any other Windows thing you can avoid easily.

Windows7 will grow on you. It’s Windows8 you should fear and loathe!


17 posted on 06/12/2012 3:37:54 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: saminfl

Probably not.

You would need to be sure that you have the proper drivers for your new hardware installed on your XP drive. And depending on the age of your old system, they might very well be incompatible. More to the point, and older ATA drive is not hardware compatible with a SATA system, without some sort of adapter.

It is possible that if you have a new system that Dell would offer a “downgrade” to XP - They will do that on certain business class systems. Dell may also have XP hardware drivers that you could install on the old drive to allow you to boot to it, but that’s fairly complicated. However, if you do that, you may be able to set up a “Dual Boot” system.

Another thing to consider is that if you have more than 4GB of RAM, it won’t be usable on an XP (32bit) system.

Mark


18 posted on 06/12/2012 3:40:44 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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Can I install the hard drive from my old Dell Desktop with XP Professional into a vacant slot and boot from that when i want to?
I don't think so. Windows is finicky about the boot sectors of the drives. It would be great if you could, though.


I did exactly what you're talking about Sam, not on a Dell system mind you, but on an ASUS motherboard, here's how you should be able to do it:

- assuming that your hard drives are SATA and not IDE (thereby requiring NO 'master' or 'slave' jumper settings), slide that XP drive into a slot, run the SATA cable to the motherboard, be sure the power coupling is connected as well.

- after you button everything up, when you first power up your system, be SURE to hit the 'DEL' (delete) key to go into the BIOS setup function.

- once you're into the BIOS, look for the hard drive/boot configuration menu, and select your XP drive as 'boot', hit 'escape' and 'save' and leave the BIOS menu, wait for the system to boot back up. When it does, you SHOULD see your old XP boot screen and desktop after everything is up and running. When you click on 'My Computer' you should see the Windows 7 drive designated as either 'D' (or perhaps 'E', if XP assigns your optical drive to the next available letter).

Now if you're REALLY REALLY lucky, when you first boot up the system after installing the XP drive, you MIGHT see a message during bootup that says 'hit F*' key for boot menu' (with '*' being the corresponding number of the function key designated), if you hit that function key, you may very well see a little menu pop up that lets you choose from whatever drive devices are present in the hardware configuration to boot from, i.e., you may be able to boot from 'C' (Windows 7), from 'D' (Windows XP), etc. If you choose 'D', Windows 7 will be seen as 'D', and likewise if you choose 'C' for Windows 7, the XP drive will (or should be) designated as 'D'.

Both Windows 7 and XP use a common file system, 'NTFS' although I have heard that there are some subtle differences but I've never discovered them and I run both Win7 and XP on a daily basis.

Anyhow, hope this helps some, FReepmail me if there is anything else I might help with.


Important PS: be aware that depending upon the hardware/motherboard configuration of your old Dell desktop, there may be a conflict in drivers if you're using that drive in a newer system. Even if that is the case, you should be able to select the appropriate drivers that will work with your older XP operating system and the newer hardware that you have now. It can be tricky, but it is doable.
19 posted on 06/12/2012 3:50:50 PM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: ShadowAce

PING for the Tech list...


20 posted on 06/12/2012 3:52:29 PM PDT by CedarDave (Voted for Newt last Tuesday in New Mexico -- too bad he's thrown in with Mittens)
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