The evidence from the Toba eruption indicates that the world's population of Modern Man was reduced to a total of around 10,000 adults.
Posted on 01/27/2012 8:32:48 AM PST by Theoria
Altai in southern Siberia sits right at the centre of Russia. But the tiny, mountainous republic has a claim to fame unknown until now - Native Americans can trace their origins to the remote region.
DNA research revealed that genetic markers linking people living in the Russian republic of Altai, southern Siberia, with indigenous populations in North America.
A study of the mutations indicated a lineage shift between 13,000 and 14,000 years ago - when people are thought to have walked across the ice from Russia to America.
This roughly coincides with the period when humans from Siberia are thought to have crossed what is now the Bering strait and entered America.
'Altai is a key area because it's a place where people have been coming and going for thousands and thousands of years,' said Dr Theodore Schurr, from the University of Pennsylvania in the US.
Among the people who may have emerged from the Altai region are the predecessors of the first Native Americans.
Roughly 20-25,000 years ago, these prehistoric humans carried their Asian genetic lineages up into the far reaches of Siberia and eventually across the then-exposed Bering land mass into the Americas.
'Our goal in working in this area was to better define what those founding lineages or sister lineages are to Native American populations,' Schurr said.
The region lies at the intersection of what is now Russia, Mongolia, China and Kazakhstan.
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Great catch and good comment. Any floating piece of wood would teach the lesson effectively.
Ping me to the haplogroup info when you get it please.
Alpogroup ping. ;-]
Check out the Zuni.
Ha, ha.
Growing evidence shows that the first Americans came from Europ
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There is also growing evidence that just about everybody came to the Americas long before the 15th Century, starting with the Jomon in Japan 16,000 or more years ago.
The whole thing about so-called native Americans claims today is based on their insistance that they were created here - this is a political and legal argument.
This last is why they demand no studies of early remains: if those remains prove not to be related to them, then their whole argument falls and along with that all their ‘special’ rights, rights which no other US citizen has or can share in:
exemption from Federal Income Tax, unrestricted commercial hunting and fishing, unregulated casinos, tax free sales of tobacco, unrestricted fireworks sales, BIA subsistance checks, and so on.
A typical Makah male (in the PNW) for example, could fish for sockeye salmon (when the season was closed for every one else) catch seveal thousand pounds, come in sell to the buyer for $1.25 lb, turn around and pull his halibut longline, sell those hundreds of pounds for $2.50lb, tieup, go collect his BIA check, his SS check, his timber check, his welfare check and food stamps. Visit Aunt Petunia for his share of the million dollar sale of their yearly family whale hunt.
When he gets home, take all the money and stuff it into a dresser filled with $100 bills, take some and go get drunk, stoned or both for the rest of the month.
But remember he is a poor downtrodden Treaty indian, so the tribe needs to lobby for more money.
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The are individual nations with ‘special’ rights granted by the Constitution - rights which are theirs, not ours - they have rights, we have privileges, their rights are supreme, our privileges can be revoked at any given time. Thus Spake SCOTUS.
How does the Toba bottleneck connect with this?
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That eruption happened 74,000 years ago, which was very ancient history by 15,000 BC., the period under discussion. Any putative connection is moot.
What the genetic structure of pre-Toba humans was, no one knows since they are all dead, and all humans today are descended from the handful of survivors. Or so the theory goes.
Now it all starts making sense.
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Es[pecially if you know that Russia once owned both California and Alaska...
Seems like a good time to update the ping message over in that topic.
The evidence from the Toba eruption indicates that the world's population of Modern Man was reduced to a total of around 10,000 adults.
Thanks for the ping. So, how did they get to South America? Did they walk the length of two continents?
There's not much wood available in those areas aside from the occasional piece of driftwood, but I'm sure if they could make spears and arrows, they could cobble together a boat. Walrus and seal haul out on the Russian coast as well as Alaskan, so their hides would have been seen as a resource at a very early stage. In place of wood, traditional umiats contained whalebone frames. Walking on the ice in the winter is an art. Eskimo have numerous words for "snow" and they would be adept at reading conditions.
Sounds like your cousin's husband would be a kindred spirit to the old professor I studied under. His name was Edward Milligan and he had been adopted into the Dakota tribe. He published under the title Historic Migration of North American Indian Tribes and his work was largely pooh-poohed by the experts, many of them for allegedly superficial reasons like Prof. Milligan's imperfect grammar in writing.
His most memorable statement was squarely aimed against some of his critics who still contend all original Native American migration was over the Bering Strait land bridge. The Prof. pointed out that every other civilization built their greatest cities near where they first entered the continent, then more rudimentary dwellings as they moved further away. "Why," asked the professor, "should only America be the opposite?" The greatest evidence of civilization are concentrated between Peru and Central Mexico. Northern Mexico and the American southwest still have some fairly impressive but less developed evidence of civilization. But as you move into Northern California and up the Pacific Northwest to the Bering Straight, evidence of even rudimentary civilizations grow even more sparse. You can't dismiss it by climate alone because at least the southern portion of the Pacific Northwest has a climate far milder than the mountains of Peru where these ancient people thrived.
But at least give Indians credit for knowing that the key to maintaining the cash flow is to restrict numbers by definition. If you can't prove x% of tribal blood in a given tribe, you are out of luck like me. Even if the sum total of d% of tribe A, e% of tribe B and f% of tribe C exceeds the x%.
It is a glorious little scam. Most tribes will allow some reciprocity, but usually only when it is necessary to maintain some political clout or tribal recognition.
The "Hispanic" definition, on the other hand, works to pump up numbers and political clout, even through the bloodline may be totally different. Thus, "Hispanic" can take in both Berber and Basque (as long they lived in Spain at one time) as well as Argentinians of Italian descent, Puerto Ricans of African descent and Hondurans of Toltec descent.
If Native Americans tried to broaden our definition on a similar scale, the whole scam would collapse as there would be fewer goodies to go around. Just for fun, you should read up on the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina sometime. They've been trying unsuccessfully for years to get tribal recognition. Not so they can tap into a cornucopia of government goodies. Most of them are entrepreneurial and conservative and just want to be able to use these treaties to tell the government to shove off.
Ben Nighthorse Campbell, a distant relative of mine and former U.S. Senator from Colorado, also studied in Japan and made many of the same observations.
Or they merely vacationed there. 8)
Cultures where there is little contact with outsiders either through trade, conquest or even being conquered stagnate. No new ideas, no reason to ever do things another way.
That was a good book...worth a read.
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