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The Riddle of Ancient Roman Concrete
Roman Concrete ^ | 1993-1995 | David Moore, P.E.

Posted on 09/02/2011 8:15:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A most unusual Roman structure depicting their technical advancement is the Pantheon, a brick faced building that has withstood the ravages of weathering in near perfect condition, sitting magnificently in the business district of Rome. Perhaps its longevity is told by its purpose . . . to honor all gods. Above all, this building humbles the modern engineer not only in its artistic splendor, but also because there are no steel rods to counter the high tensile forces such as we need to hold modern concrete together. Describing this large circular building tells much of the intelligence of its builders; it was designed to contain a fictional ball, and is some 143 feet in diameter with a wall in the form of skirts dropping from its circumference. In the center of the dome is a 19-foot opening held in place by a bronze ring backed by a brick ring integrated into the concrete dome. This ingenious opening admitted sunlight to brighten the interior The slightly curved marble floor provided drainage and the complex notches in the walls and ceiling tell only a few features of its meticulous design.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientconcrete; concrete; godsgravesglyphs; pozzolana; pozzolano; romanconcrete; romanempire
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To: Enten

“It was a great place for a burger on the patio while at the same time enjoying the Pantheon!”

Ugh. It was a horror! You know there is incredible food all around. Like Navona Notte, just off the west side of the piazza a couple of blocks.


21 posted on 09/03/2011 1:16:37 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (.....A man eventually wears the face he earns.....)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Pantheon interior

Exterior

22 posted on 09/03/2011 1:39:39 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Arial view


23 posted on 09/03/2011 1:41:57 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SunkenCiv; Eye of Unk

———with as little water as possible to give a stiff, “no-slump” concrete-——

ping for our resident concrete man

He finally gets around to the water, an ingredient unmentioned in the piece earlier.

Abram’s Law: Within the limits of workability, the strength of concrete is inversely proportional to the water cement ratio.


24 posted on 09/03/2011 5:04:45 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: SunkenCiv; afraidfortherepublic

It gets me that we brilliant, genius, modern men can’t figure out how to reproduce this timeless concrete.

Thank you for the photos, afraidfortherepublic.


25 posted on 09/03/2011 5:19:42 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: El Sordo

Hey, at least you check, I can’t tell you how often I get bumped or pinged by people who don’t — although I must point out that I’m glad anyone thinks to do that, regardless of the outcome!


26 posted on 09/03/2011 5:37:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bert

No slump concrete as produced by the Romans cannot be delivered in today’s market in transit mixers and placed into forms. A water to cement ratio of .25 does not contain enough water to allow super plastizers to produce a 4” slump for “pouring” when used, the strength and durability is lost.


27 posted on 09/03/2011 5:37:42 AM PDT by tiger63
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Thanx for the pics-—takes me back to that memorable day when I first laid eyes on that remarkable structure.

Although it did not drop my jaw as when I stepped into the Vatican.......all that matgnificent art.....the Pieta...... and the incredible Bernini altar.


28 posted on 09/03/2011 5:37:44 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: SaxxonWoods; Enten

In Roman times, pork was a popular meat, but wasn’t always affordable. When the Games were running, disreputable wholesalers (whatever they were called then) would render human flesh to vendors who would then sell it as pork. The flavor is indistinguishable.

I guess now no one wants to come to my cookout...


29 posted on 09/03/2011 5:45:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GeronL

Hey, we didn’t lose it, we deliberately buried it after killin’ the alien overseers.


30 posted on 09/03/2011 5:46:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"The flavor is indistinguishable."

Didn't some cannibals in New Guinea call human flesh "long pig?"

31 posted on 09/03/2011 5:53:04 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: ken21; JoeProBono; massatoosits; Cheetahcat; Graewoulf; IncPen; Rocky; familyop; mirkwood; ...

Thanks!


32 posted on 09/03/2011 6:03:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide; Mariner; Domangart; He'sComingBack!

Even when the Empire was a going concern, great public buildings were always in a state of seeming disrepair or renovation — because various crooks were using them as quarries of a sort. Vehicular traffic was banned during the day in Rome, so all the delivery vehicles and whatnot had to move (loudly) at night. It’s ironic that this was necessary, since Roman colonies were laid out on a grid and with standard-sized streets, while the capital was a maze of ad hoc and often underpaved alleys and crooked, narrow streets.

Anyway, the noise of the carts on the move masked the sound of the plundering of stone. Emperors made a continual series of laws and proclamations over the centuries, banning the practice, which shows how effective those laws and proclamations were.

A great deal of the statuary from ancient Rome got carted off in the same way, at night, for rendering into lime mortar. This practiced continued into the Middle Ages, and was finally stopped (over a period of generations, it took that long to put on the brakes) after the discovery of the Laccoon Group, a masterpiece of sculpture that inspired Michelangelo and plenty of others.

By the time the Popes returned to Rome (after the Avignon thing) there was just this lumpy field of grasses and untended trees, with some of the largest structures sticking out here and there. The Papacy went on a building spree, and people moved back to the city.

One famous artist (I don’t feel like trying to look it up right now) of the Renaissance bought a house that was a definite fixer-upper, and decided he’d dig a basement before he put in a proper floor. A few feet down he hit what appeared to be a broad, stone floor. It turned out to be the top of the capital of a standing column — the hill on which his previously owned house (and all the neighboring structures were built) turned out to be a giant pile of refuse and fill that covered a still-standing Roman temple or some other public building. What was left of it anyway.

The Flavian amphitheater (the Colliseum, sp?) was overgrown with trees, some of which were growing right at the top of the rim, all the way into the 19th century. The most thorough (not necessarily authentic) restoration work was done under Mussolini.


33 posted on 09/03/2011 6:04:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Flag_This

And for dessert, lady fingers!


34 posted on 09/03/2011 6:06:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Spaghetti and Pete's Balls, or maybe have some of this Tastes Like Chicken salad?)
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To: SunkenCiv

A fun way to learn about Roman engineering use of concrete is the novel, Pompeii by Robert Harris.

The novel is about a young “aquarius” or aquaduct engineer who gets the first warning about Vesuvius when problems start to occur in the water supply in Pompeii and Misenum a couple of days before the eruption.

Mixed in with his solving of the mystery of why the aquaducts aren’t working or have sulphur in the water is great information about the engineering of aquaducts, the core of which was the cast concrete water main.

You may not think this provides a great read, but I’m probably not giving a good enough precis to make it come alive—but give it a shot. As days pass and he begins to climb through the aquaducts onto the slopes of Vesuvius you want to shout, “Forget the damn water main. Grab your girl and get the hell out before the volcano blows.”


35 posted on 09/03/2011 6:40:36 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Arial view

You sure it's not Times Roman?

(Sorry! I just couldn't help myself!)

36 posted on 09/03/2011 6:42:16 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: TheOldLady
modern men can’t figure out how to reproduce this timeless concrete

I'll bet they can. They just don't want to put in the time to do it. For instance, an engineering prof here in Milwaukee developed a paving process using fly ash that rivaled Roman roads. BUT, Wisconsin engineers don't seem to want to have roads that last longer. There is profit associated with repaving the highways every 3-4 years.

37 posted on 09/03/2011 6:57:40 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bert

WOW I did not realized anybody would consider me the resident concrete man around here.

Well honestly I do know something as I have been a concrete batch plant supervisor for 16 years now.

In its pure simplicity concrete is just simply amazing, a true gift from god that without it who could say how the advances in society would have evolved?

Yes I still deliver concrete, work this season has been brisk for me in Alaska and the pay quite good. We have downsized our workforce so on many occasions the minimal amount of drivers available are often called to work longer hours.
I love being a concrete mixer driver and fortunately all my delivery area is around Wasilla Alaska, I have been to Anchorage and I hated every minute of it.


38 posted on 09/03/2011 7:12:55 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Daniel J. Ramsey 1956-2012)
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To: wildbill

That sounds pretty interesting, actually. Wow! a lot of editions. May have to check out the remainder store, I've found loads of books on CD in there.

Pompeii Pompeii
by Robert Harris

Kindle Edition
Paperback
Mass Market Paperback
Library Binding
Unknown Binding
Abridged CD Audiobook
Unabridged Audible Edition


39 posted on 09/03/2011 7:28:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

/bingo


40 posted on 09/03/2011 7:30:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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