Posted on 08/19/2011 5:44:20 PM PDT by FrogMom
A reindeer herder in Russia's Arctic has stumbled on the pre-historic remains of a baby woolly mammoth poking out of the permafrost, local officials said on Friday.
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And do you know who wrote the intro to that book?
Some hack named Bert or something who came up with a theory about relatives...
;-)
Yeah, Einstein seemed to think the idea had some merit.
One thing is, everybody knows the magnetic pole is heading in a northwesterly direction on a gentle spiral. It may actually be out of Canada now and into SE Alaska.
I’ve seen plots of the pole back to the early 1800’s. And if you keep retrograding it, you can project where it was in the past.
At some time in the past, it was over Hudson Bay!!
CynicalBear
WRONG WRONG WRONG!
CynicalBear is trying to merge evolution with the Bible and that shouldn't/can't be done! Evolution is completely FALSE doctrine! What he is pushing, is called the gap theory but the only gap is between the ears of the person promoting this none sense!
skeptoid, is the only one on this thread who got it right. Read the web page he has a linked for. It's the BEST explanation of the effects of Noah's flood and the resulting world wide changes we see today.
Indeed.
Absolutely no belief in any type of evolution is in any way inferred. Evolution is of Satan’s teaching. God created every creature as a unique species. Trying to include the teaching of evolution in the truth of a world prior to Genesis 1:2 is a straw dog used in place of knowledge.
Trying to limit an eternal God to a box of 6-7000 years is ridiculous if not an abomination. To infer that the first thing God did with this earth was a mess (“without form and void”, Tohu wa bohu) is anathema. To infer that dinosaurs were on the Ark is naïve at best and anti scriptural.
This earth could have been reformed many times in the eternal past but scripture teaches it was at least once and will be again. Don’t attempt to demean an eternal God by trying to restrict Him to the last 6-7000 years.
And don’t accuse me of “trying to merge evolution with the Bible”. It’s a lie and a weak attempt at obfuscation. If your knowledge of scripture and science is so weak just admit that you can’t rectify truth of either.
ROFL! And those all happened in the last 6-7000 years or all those dinosaurs were on the Ark because it happened after or during the flood, right? Really? There was an ice age after Adam? Or was it after Noah?
Let me get this straight so I understand. In the beginning God created a mess. Then He fixed it all up. Then there was an ice age and a catastrophe that eliminated hundreds of species of animals either before the flood, during the flood, or after the flood. Noah missed some of the animals or there were 60 ft tall dinosaurs on an Ark that was 45 ft tall total with three stories that were an average of 14 ft. Am I getting that all straight?
Oh, and none of the historians or scripture recorded any of those catastrophes or the destruction of that magnitude?
The uncaring bastiches!
I don't limit GOD in any way. However GOD gave us The Bible and the 6-7000 years are found there. Go ahead, call that "ridiculous if not an abomination" if you dare. You won't hurt my feelings, I didn't write the book.
"To infer that the first thing God did with this earth was a mess "
I didn't say or even "infer that the first thing God did with this earth was a mess." You've now said that! “without form and void” (Tohu wa bohu) doesn't mean MESS.
"To infer that dinosaurs were on the Ark is naïve at best and anti scriptural."
Ha, ha, ha, So you're like the really naïve people who can't imagine those "GIANT" dinosaurs squeezing into that teeny tiny arch. The Bible doesn't say whether the animals were babes or full grown.
Anti scriptural, how? The Bible says in Gen 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."
Nothing said about just lion and tigers and bears. You're the classic example of "Thinking themselves wise, they became fools."
This earth could have been reformed many times in the eternal past.
This earth could have........could have? Are you seriously trying to make point with a, "could have argument?" Something like, I could have flown across the Grand Canyon if those feathers would have grown out of my butt! LOL
"And don’t accuse me of “trying to merge evolution with the Bible”. It’s a lie and a weak attempt at obfuscation."
There is nothing weak or obfuscating about what I've said, "you're merging evolution with the Bible." I said it PLAIN & CLEAR!
"If your knowledge of scripture and science is so weak just admit that you can’t rectify truth of either."
So YOU use science to verify The Bible. Seems to me that it should be the other way round. And as far as my weakness in the knowledge of scripture, I've already proved YOU lack even elementary understanding.
ONE question to see how knowledgeable YOU are. WHEN did death enter into GOD's, "it is very good creation?"
CHECK ONE:
1) Dinosaurs died during one of the earth's reforming periods.
2) The human race was cursed with death after the fall of Adam & Eve but Dinosaurs died millions of years before that.
3) Death only became part of GOD's creation after the fall of Adam & Eve.
Tohu – without form or a waste. It’s also been described as meaning “great confusion”. In modern French, "tohu-bohu" is used as an idiom for "confusion" or "commotion". Genesis 1:2 “Now the earth was formless and empty”. That doesn’t sound like a mess to you?
>> Anti scriptural, how? The Bible says in Gen 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."<<
OK, so now you have established that you believe that there were dinosaurs on the Ark. Then there must have been some catastrophe and an ice age somewhere around 4445 years ago right? Could you show from any source where that is remotely possible?
>> This earth could have........could have?<<
All right, let’s clarify. This earth has been entirely destroyed and reformed at least once. It has also been flooded once to destroy all animals and man other then those on the Ark. I would not discount other reformations given the eternity of God.
>> There is nothing weak or obfuscating about what I've said, "you're merging evolution with the Bible.<<
If God created unique species then totally destroyed those species to re-create a different set of species does not include evolution. There is no “evolution” from one species to another in that. Unless you have no concept of what evolution means it would be ludicrous to claim it did.
>> So YOU use science to verify The Bible.<<
Nope, scientific discovery must conform to scripture. If it does not it must be assumed in error. Just like your 6000 year old earth does not fit either scripture or science.
>> ONE question to see how knowledgeable YOU are.<<
ROFL. You say ONE question then you list 3 questions. Indicative of your understanding of pretty much everything it would seem to me. Nonetheless, here goes.
>>1. Dinosaurs died during one of the earth's reforming periods.<<
Again, indicative of you naiveté. Destruction doesn’t happen during “reforming”. The destruction of the dinosaurs happened during the destruction of the previous earth. >>2. The human race was cursed with death after the fall of Adam & Eve but Dinosaurs died millions of years before that.<<
Is there anywhere in scripture that states that there was no death prior to Genesis 1:2? How about Lucifer? Was he already a fallen angel prior to Genesis 1:2 or after? Death was introduced to this current earth after the fall of Adam and Eve. No where does it say that death never occurred before that. There was a new start from Genesis 1:2 just as there will be after Armageddon and again after the 1000 year reign of Christ.
>>3. Death only became part of GOD's creation after the fall of Adam & Eve.<<
There you go again. Limiting “God’s creation” to a 6-7000 year time frame. You indicate that God only created once and that creation started out “without form and void”. If there was no “creation” prior to Adam and Eve you limit God to no creation before that.
Now I’ll ask you a question. What words did the original writers use in Genesis that have been translated “created”. Did those words mean “created from nothing” or did one of those words mean that but the other mean “to form from existing material” as in “re-create” and in which verses were those words used? I’ll give you a hint to start. Did God create (bara) or make (asah) in Genesis 1?
I have not a clue why you are pinging me to this.
I didn’t say a thing about God or Genesis or anything like that, and that’s not my agenda at all.
At this point neither do I other then it may have been that the poster I was responding to included you also. If not, my bad. Ignore the post is probably the best on your part. Sorry if it caused any inconvenience.
Thought they did, or at least tried. Will have to look that up.
SO, now we know you swear by Wikipedia, the free (design your own definition) encyclopedia. You copied this almost word for word.
Here's the correct definition: Tohu-that which is empty or wasteland, wilderness (From an unused root meaning to lie waste). And, if it was empty, so what. As we know GOD's plan was to create (out of nothing) life to populate the earth.
Think of it this way slowped, You're building a home. You find a vacant lot, without form or a waste. You bring in the building materials and lay them around the property. Is it looking like a home yet? NO, it's still without form or a waste. You begin to build by putting the different elements of building materials together. Is it looking like a home yet? NO, it's still without form or a waste. When you've completed the project and moved in, is it a HOME? FINALLY, YES!
___________________________________________________________ "OK, so now you have established that you believe that there were dinosaurs on the Ark. Then there must have been some catastrophe and an ice age somewhere around 4445 years ago right? Could you show from any source where that is remotely possible?"
OK slow learner: http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/ .This was in earlier posts but I guess your eyes haven't evolved yet.
___________________________________________________________ "All right, let’s clarify. This earth has been entirely destroyed and reformed at least once. It has also been flooded once to destroy all animals and man other then those on the Ark. I would not discount other reformations given the eternity of God."
This earth has been entirely destroyed and reformed at least once....you mean before the flood?
Could you show from any source where that is remotely possible? And don't bring in your pseudo science, like carbon dating. I say "pseudo science" because show me the control. OH, I know those reliable "scientist" who brought us "Global Warming" say that radiocarbon dating requires knowing the ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 in the atmosphere when the organic matter being dated was part of a living organism. That assumption, which few realize is being made, is that this ratio has always been what it was before the industrial revolution—about one carbon-14 atom for every trillion carbon-12 atoms. However, Willard Libby, who received a Nobel Prize for developing this technique, conducted tests in 1950 that showed more carbon-14 forming than decaying. Therefore, the amount of carbon-14 and the ratio must be increasing. He ignored his test results, because he believed that the earth must be more than 20,000–30,000 years old, in which case the amount of carbon-14 must have had time to reach equilibrium and be constant. In 1977, Melvin Cook did similar, but more precise, tests which showed that the ratio was definitely increasing, even faster than Libby’s test indicated.
"the earth must be more than 20,000–30,000 years old"This "pseudo science" is where people like you get the idea of thousands, NO millions of earth years. So you have to manufacture something to make The Bible fit your stupid nonesense "gap theory." As I've said before the gap is in your head. __________________________________________________________
"If God created unique species then totally destroyed those species to re-create a different set of species does not include evolution."
SO, GOD is continually (that means without interruption) forming new creatures. WOW, now that is a new one for me! So, what was created in your back yard today? Dog poop I'd venture to say.
____________________________________________________________ " There is no “evolution” from one species to another in that. Unless you have no concept of what evolution means it would be ludicrous to claim it did."
I see that even a gullible person like you HAS to draw the line somewhere. ____________________________________________________________
"Is there anywhere in scripture that states that there was no death prior to Genesis 1:2? How about Lucifer? Was he already a fallen angel prior to Genesis 1:2 or after? Death was introduced to this current earth after the fall of Adam and Eve. No where does it say that death never occurred before that."
Now you give me a twofer of stupidity.....you're sad!
OK, first Satan, he is a fallen angel without a physical body, who will never die but will be in the lake of fire forever.
The Bible is not clear WHEN he first sinned against GOD.
"Is there anywhere in scripture that states that there was no death prior to Genesis 1:2?
Death is first mentioned in Genesis 2:17, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
How does this mean No death before GEN 1:2, you ask? Because of Gen 3:22, And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.
So, living in the garden and Adam & Eve eating freely from the "tree of life" would have prevented them from tasting DEAH forever!
Because of Adam & Eve's sin, GOD cursed the earth. See GEN 3:17, And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. Also see Rom 8:22, For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
The entire creation is suffering under the penalty of Adam & Eve's sin.....until our redemption by Jesus has been completed.
___________________________________________________________ "There you go again. Limiting “God’s creation” to a 6-7000 year time frame. You indicate that God only created once and that creation started out “without form and void”. If there was no “creation” prior to Adam and Eve you limit God to no creation before that."
I didn't limit GOD to anything. It's all in his book. You should read it sometime. ___________________________________________________________
It's really very simple. GOD created the universe with the earth as part of it. He created plants, animals and man on the earth. Adam & Eve were placed in the perfect paradise of Eden. Adam & Eve could have lived forever (with animals, that includes dinosaurs) in the garden of Eden. Adam & Eve sinned, GOD ejected them from the garden and clothed them with animal skins (death). The first murder (death) happened after the fall. Children from Adam & Eve populated the pre-flood earth. Sin in the pre-flood world got worse & worse. GOD judged the world with a flood but saved Noah, family & animals. The judgement with flood waters created the world we see today (volcanos, mountains, oceans, fossils, & Russia's Arctic prehistoric remains of a baby woolly mammoth)
___________________________________________________________ " Did God create (bara) or make (asah) in Genesis 1?"
ANSWER: (bara) A primitive root; (absolutely) to create. And from American Heritage Dictionary: create - to cause to exist; bring into being.
The universe/earth didn't exist before GOD created them, He only created them once, MANKIND mess it up!
How many more places should I give you? Does the definition change?
Tohu from the New American Standard Bible as itemized in the New American Standard Hebrew Dictionary (as found in Quickverse 2008):
H8414; tohu from an unused word; formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness:—chaos, confusion, desolation, emptiness, empty space, formless, futile, futile things, meaningless, meaningless arguments, nothing, waste, waste place.
bohu n.[m.] emptiness, alw. c. tohu. Tohu wabohu - of primaeval earth; of earth under judgment of Yahweh. the line of wasteness and the stones of emptiness, i.e. plummets, employed, not as usual for building, but for destroying walls; (This abbreviated definition is from Brown Driver Briggs Lexicon as found in Bibloi 8.0, adapted from Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon.)
You can’t show from scripture nor from other historians that dinosaurs lived in the last 6000 years. You can’t support an ice age nor can you account for the great extinction of multiple species in the last 4500 years. I never mentioned nor do I rely on carbon dating. I’ve studied carbon dating as has my wife and we understand completely the faults.
Now let’s look at some of you superior debating tactics.
“OK slow learner”
“I guess your eyes haven't evolved yet.”
“your stupid nonsense”
“the gap is in your head.”
“So, what was created in your back yard today? Dog poop I'd venture to say.”
“even a gullible person like you”
“Now you give me a twofer of stupidity.....you're sad!”
Those are just from your last post.
Getting personal is not something the owners of this site take lightly and certainly not something a mature individual needs to include especially a Christian. Trying to debate with someone with those tactics is ill advised and I will simply ignore your posts. Please do not ping me again.
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