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To: CynicalBear
Trying to limit an eternal God to a box of 6-7000 years is ridiculous if not an abomination.

I don't limit GOD in any way. However GOD gave us The Bible and the 6-7000 years are found there. Go ahead, call that "ridiculous if not an abomination" if you dare. You won't hurt my feelings, I didn't write the book.

"To infer that the first thing God did with this earth was a mess "

I didn't say or even "infer that the first thing God did with this earth was a mess." You've now said that! “without form and void” (Tohu wa bohu) doesn't mean MESS.

"To infer that dinosaurs were on the Ark is naïve at best and anti scriptural."

Ha, ha, ha, So you're like the really naïve people who can't imagine those "GIANT" dinosaurs squeezing into that teeny tiny arch. The Bible doesn't say whether the animals were babes or full grown.

Anti scriptural, how? The Bible says in Gen 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

Nothing said about just lion and tigers and bears. You're the classic example of "Thinking themselves wise, they became fools."

This earth could have been reformed many times in the eternal past.

This earth could have........could have? Are you seriously trying to make point with a, "could have argument?" Something like, I could have flown across the Grand Canyon if those feathers would have grown out of my butt! LOL

"And don’t accuse me of “trying to merge evolution with the Bible”. It’s a lie and a weak attempt at obfuscation."

There is nothing weak or obfuscating about what I've said, "you're merging evolution with the Bible." I said it PLAIN & CLEAR!

"If your knowledge of scripture and science is so weak just admit that you can’t rectify truth of either."

So YOU use science to verify The Bible. Seems to me that it should be the other way round. And as far as my weakness in the knowledge of scripture, I've already proved YOU lack even elementary understanding.

ONE question to see how knowledgeable YOU are. WHEN did death enter into GOD's, "it is very good creation?"

CHECK ONE:

1) Dinosaurs died during one of the earth's reforming periods.

2) The human race was cursed with death after the fall of Adam & Eve but Dinosaurs died millions of years before that.

3) Death only became part of GOD's creation after the fall of Adam & Eve.

70 posted on 08/21/2011 11:34:27 AM PDT by FW190
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To: FW190
>> I didn't say or even "infer that the first thing God did with this earth was a mess.<<

Tohu – without form or a waste. It’s also been described as meaning “great confusion”. In modern French, "tohu-bohu" is used as an idiom for "confusion" or "commotion". Genesis 1:2 “Now the earth was formless and empty”. That doesn’t sound like a mess to you?

>> Anti scriptural, how? The Bible says in Gen 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."<<

OK, so now you have established that you believe that there were dinosaurs on the Ark. Then there must have been some catastrophe and an ice age somewhere around 4445 years ago right? Could you show from any source where that is remotely possible?

>> This earth could have........could have?<<

All right, let’s clarify. This earth has been entirely destroyed and reformed at least once. It has also been flooded once to destroy all animals and man other then those on the Ark. I would not discount other reformations given the eternity of God.

>> There is nothing weak or obfuscating about what I've said, "you're merging evolution with the Bible.<<

If God created unique species then totally destroyed those species to re-create a different set of species does not include evolution. There is no “evolution” from one species to another in that. Unless you have no concept of what evolution means it would be ludicrous to claim it did.

>> So YOU use science to verify The Bible.<<

Nope, scientific discovery must conform to scripture. If it does not it must be assumed in error. Just like your 6000 year old earth does not fit either scripture or science.

>> ONE question to see how knowledgeable YOU are.<<

ROFL. You say ONE question then you list 3 questions. Indicative of your understanding of pretty much everything it would seem to me. Nonetheless, here goes.

>>1. Dinosaurs died during one of the earth's reforming periods.<<

Again, indicative of you naiveté. Destruction doesn’t happen during “reforming”. The destruction of the dinosaurs happened during the destruction of the previous earth. >>2. The human race was cursed with death after the fall of Adam & Eve but Dinosaurs died millions of years before that.<<

Is there anywhere in scripture that states that there was no death prior to Genesis 1:2? How about Lucifer? Was he already a fallen angel prior to Genesis 1:2 or after? Death was introduced to this current earth after the fall of Adam and Eve. No where does it say that death never occurred before that. There was a new start from Genesis 1:2 just as there will be after Armageddon and again after the 1000 year reign of Christ.

>>3. Death only became part of GOD's creation after the fall of Adam & Eve.<<

There you go again. Limiting “God’s creation” to a 6-7000 year time frame. You indicate that God only created once and that creation started out “without form and void”. If there was no “creation” prior to Adam and Eve you limit God to no creation before that.

Now I’ll ask you a question. What words did the original writers use in Genesis that have been translated “created”. Did those words mean “created from nothing” or did one of those words mean that but the other mean “to form from existing material” as in “re-create” and in which verses were those words used? I’ll give you a hint to start. Did God create (bara) or make (asah) in Genesis 1?

72 posted on 08/21/2011 12:33:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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