Posted on 07/09/2011 3:32:01 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen
From the Medical Examiner’s Report on Caylee Anthony: _________________________________________________________
Conclusion/Opinion: As often is the case with a skeletonized individual, the exact cause of death cannot be determined with certainty. The manner of death is an opinion based on available information, including circumstances surrounding the death, information from the scene, and examination of the skeletal remains.
The circumstances of death are that this toddler child, with no known medical history, was not reported missing to authorities for approximately 30 days. This child’s remains were eventually found in a wooded, overgrown area, discarded with two trash bags and a laundry bag. Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair. This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place.
The clustering of vertebrae at the scene separate from the location of the bags and skull indicate animal activity occurring at this location after decomposition started, but before complete disarticulation of the skeleton. This indicates the body was put in this location prior to complete skeletonization. The roots growing into the vertebrae and bags indicate that the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive.
It is, thus, my opinion that, although the cause of death cannot be determined with certainty, the manner of death is homicide.
That is what the defense team was claiming in opening statements. They blamed George for getting rid of the body.
Never offered any evidence of either.
"How in the world can a mother wait 30 days before ever reporting her child missing? That's insane, that's bizarre... The answer is actually relatively simple. She never was missing," Baez said. "Caylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool." Baez also claimed that Casey Anthony's father, George Anthony, found the body in the backyard pool and indicated that he helped dispose of the body.
Well if George was helping somebody, which may or may not be true, he sure the hell wasn't helping OJ.
Why did the medical examiner declare Caylee's death a homicide? Because the poor baby had duct tape on her face for which there is no REASONABLE explanation except that somebody killed her and since Casey's defense attorney told the jury that it was CAsey who dumped the body, along with George and OJ, the only rational and reasonable conclusion is that Caset, alone or in league with others, put the duct tape on her baby.
To think otherwise is irrational or retarded.
Everything "dissipates upon exposure to air" and yeat levels of chloroform in that trunk were about oreders of magnitude higher than normal. No chlorine or bleach in the trunk.
Most of the other results were refuted by other so called expert witnesses.
You mean like the moron who claimed the duct tape was put on later but in fact the duct tape was holding the mandible to the skull when the kid was found?
A few possible points, taken from the website http://www.justice4caylee.org/t1208-who-s-who-in-the-anthony-case :
Early police investigators included a team from the Sex Offenses unit;
The Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey said the nanny lived, was home to the employer of Casey’s sometime ‘boyfriend’ Lazaro/Lazzaro/Lazarro and this person, who was a ‘director’ of ‘Society Entertainment’ also did some work for that ‘Fusion’ club which Casy frequented and where she met Lazaro.
Casey had expressed an interest in possibly having Caylee ‘adopted’.
Did Casey sell or ‘rent’ her child to pornographers or child predators? Therefore she didn’t want to expose them to the police? Did those people kill Caylee?
I hope the police don’t give up investigating. This whole case is so odiferous.
Casey did kill Caylee. This sex offender thing may be true, but Casey killed Caylee.
Impossible for chloroform to stay present for months and months in an area. They didn’t even do tests on the garbage that I can find. How can you say there was no substance containing chlorine.?
>>You mean like the moron who claimed the duct tape was put on later but in fact the duct tape was holding the mandible to the skull when the kid was found?<<
You evidently didn’t see the interview Greta had with the prosecutor who admitted that the tape could have moved given the high water, violent weather and animal invasion. If the prosecutor himself admits that it’s likely even they had reasonable doubt about the time the tape was put on and where it was put.
Several witnesses have testified that in the summer of 2008 Casey Anthony’s car contained a strong odor that resembled the stench of a decomposing body.
This is where the distinction between trash and garbage becomes crucial. Defense lawyers say the stench in Anthony’s car was a result of her mistakenly leaving that plastic bag of “garbage” in her car trunk for several days in Florida’s hot summer sun.
Prosecutors counter that the stench is the lingering evidence of the mother’s crime against her daughter. A plastic bag of “trash” is incapable of producing such a strong and distinctive smell, they say.
The issue is further complicated by the fact that investigators found maggots and other insect activity on a wad of paper towels in the white plastic bag. Prosecutors have suggested that the paper towels may have been used to clean up fluid that had flowed from Caylee’s decomposing body while it was still in the car trunk.
Dr. Haskell was asked a hypothetical question that directly tracks the state’s theory in the case. If the body of a young child was stored in the trunk of a car for some time and then moved, would that fit with the insect activity he had found?
He said based on the type of insects he’d found in the paper towels he estimated the body would have been in the car trunk three to five days.
On cross-examination, Defense Attorney Jose Baez challenged Haskell’s assumption that whatever was on the paper towels that attracted the insects must have come from human decomposition. Wouldn’t left-overs from a restaurant forgotten in a hot car attract the same flies, Mr. Baez asked.
Not that quantity, Haskell said.
That’s when Assistant State Attorney Jeffrey Ashton asked Haskell the difference between trash and garbage.
“To my thinking garbage is primarily decomposing organic material,” he said, “versus trash which is any inorganic stuff you are throwing out.”
Haskell said the insects he studies are searching for decomposing organic material, both animal and plant, to “colonize and try to raise their kids in it.”
He said the white plastic bag contained trash – a collection of inorganic materials that were not decomposing.
Orange County Deputy Jason Forgey first explained how dogs are trained to detect human decomposition, and then what happened when his K-9, Gerus, got involved in the Anthony case.
Defense attorney Jose Baez tried to block jurors from seeing certain evidence about Forgey and Gerus, but Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry allowed the state to admit the items, saying that the jury has to decide if police dogs are reliable.
Forgey told jurors that on July 17, 2008 — two days after Caylee’s grandmother reported her missing — Gerus alerted to the trunk of the car after it was taken to the Sheriff’s Office.
The deputy also noted that the smell of death, which he is familiar with, was obvious from Anthony’s car.
“I smelled it. Clear as day,” he said.
Forgey also said Gerus alerted once to a spot near Caylee’s playhouse in her family’s backyard, but after investigators scraped the ground and the dog was sent out to the location a second time, he did not alert.
FBI examiner testifies about chloroform
Prosecutors also called Dr. Michael Rickenbach, a forensic chemist examiner with the FBI, who told jurors he was surprised that residue of chloroform was detected on fabric from a spare tire cover taken from the trunk.
Rickenbach also said a chemical consistent with chloroform was found on fabric from the left and right sides of the trunk liner.
Chloroform can be deadly if inhaled, and investigators said someone at the Anthony’s home searched the Internet for the term on the family computer.
Rickenbach said chloroform is a volatile substance that doesn’t stay around long. He told prosecutor Jeff Ashton he would have expected the chloroform to dissipate by the time the fabric was tested.
“I was surprised to even get any results for chloroform,” he said.
Rickenbach also told Ashton he detected an odor when he opened the can containing the fabric from the spare tire cover.
Vass and fellow scientists at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee found that while not conclusive, nearly all the compounds present in early human decomposition were detected in the trunk of her vehicle.
“You had no idea the evidence would be altered,” Baez asked.
“No,” he said.
The routine drying may have undercut the state’s investigation as much as defense efforts.
Had they been preserved as found and immediately tested, the maggot-covered paper towels might have provided a direct link between Caylee’s dead body and her mother.
Haskell said it is possible to retrieve human host DNA from lice, maggots, and even bed bugs. It is unclear whether the procedure was attempted given the state of the evidence.
The crime scene investigator didn’t know that evidence could be altered when drying it? Then it was unclear whether tests had been attempted. Can you imagine sitting in a jury and the crime scene investigator is shown to not know what he is doing? That alone would cause reasonable doubt about anything those investigators say.
Yeah, ALL of those investigators and forensics are faulty according to Baez. He also threw drowning against the wall with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE.
There would have to be some huge conspiracy for everyone to be wrong and Baez to be right.
Maybe you should read ALL the evidence instead of commenting on a trial you obviously know nothing ot little about.
WHAT IS CHLOROFORM?
http://mmr.org/IRP/genprog/riskinfo/chlorofr.htm
Chloroform, also called trichloromethane, is a colorless liquid with a pleasant odor and a slight, sweet taste. It dissolves easily in water. Chloroform is both a synthetic and naturally-occurring compound, although sources from humans, such as septic systems and other water treatment processes involving chlorination, are responsible for most of the chloroform in the environment. Chloroform enters the air and water from some industrial processes, leaking containers, and waste disposal. It also is a byproduct of the chlorination of drinking water, municipal and industrial wastewater, and swimming pool and spa water. Chloroform may also enter the environment via the chemical breakdown of chlorinated compounds. The Anthoney’s had a pool right? Throw a wet bathing suit and towel in the trunk and……? Or stop off at the store and pick up pool chemicals,,some spills and...?
>> The state identified the wrong can in court Monday for key witness Dr. Arpad Vass. As a result, Ashton on Tuesday called Vass to the stand and showed him the actual can.<<
Yes, for certain it was that can. Wait, no, it was the other can for sure. LOL
Obviously? Other then the fact I came up with the same conclusion that the jury did? The investigators and the prosecution screwed up.
You're verbose but dense. When the defense attorney states that the baby was disposed of with the help of George, just who the hell do you think George was helping, the local child molester?
If you want to argue that the death was accidental and thus she should not have been convicted of murder, fine. But to argue that the duct tape, garbage bag and tossing of the body into the swamp wasn't the doing of Casey Anthony is unreasonable bordering on insane.
Comprende?
First of all it wasn't "months and months" from the time Casey disposed of her baby and samples were taken from the trunk. Secondly, both prosecution scientist and defense scientist found chloroform in the trunk. Prosectors witness found it in quantities 10,000 times normal levels. Defense's witness says it was in smaller quantities but admits prosecutions witness methodology is better than what he used.
But what's the point you are arguing? The defense attorney stated in court that the body was disposed of by George who was helping 'somebody'. Somebody of course is Casey.
The body was undoubtedly in that trunk and the prosecutors scientist explained that the trash contained no organics. So where'd the chloroform come from and why did they put the baby in a garbage back and wrap duct tape somewhere on her head?
Is Baez lying?
You've gone from arguing that there could be no possibility of chloroform in the trunk "months and months" later to last years wet bathing suit caused the elevated levels of chloroform. The lengths some people go to to avoid the reasonable and rational is amazing.
Or stop off at the store and pick up pool chemicals,,some spills and...?
And what? Cl can not break down to CHCl3. But I'm heartened to know you now accept the fact that chloroform, and in high levels, was found in that trunk.
If investigators and the prosecution would have done a better job we may all have known the answers to those questions. I’m amazed that after almost 3 years of investigation they bungled so much. Putting the trash from the trunk in a dryer before analyzing it, relying on science that had not even been peer reviewed allowing for doubts, claiming the wrong can contained samples etc. Even the “opinion” statements of homicide were uncalled for. Using “opinion” twice in the autopsy results doesn’t give much confidence to the jury to make a judgment concerning a life.
Chloroform is used to produce fluorocarbon-22, oxybisphenoxarsine, 1,3-diisocyanate, and pharmaceuticals. Chloroform can be formed as a by-product of chlorinated water in swimming pools, tap water, cooling towers, and air stripping towers (ARB, 1990). More chloroform can be produced in drinking water during the summer than in the winter where drinking water is often dispersed and aerated, speeding the evaporation of chloroform (GCA, 1984). Chloroform may evaporate from tap water while showering with estimated concentrations ranging from 0.02 to 0.05 ppb. Chloroform is also formed by the aqueous reaction of chlorine with organic matter in the cooling water (ARB, 1990a).
Chloroform can also be produced when substances containing chlorine are added to the process waters used to bleach wood pulp. Chloroform is formed from the aqueous reaction of chlorine with organic substances in the wood pulp and then can be released to the air during the bleaching process and when effluents are released to receiving waters (ARB, 1990a).
http://scorecard.goodguide.com/chemical-profiles/html/chloroform.html
The Fusion club, etc., the whole crowd, i.e., her “friends”, that’s a suspect-rich environment. The boyfriend, etc., would have spent time with Casey. They all seem to be saying they had no idea she was this “crazy”; that sort of talk, from the one or two guys I saw interview clips with. Again, they all may be knowing what “went down” both during the crime and in the courtroom, and all understanding that if nobody talks, everybody walks.
That’s where I would have investigated, but asked them all about their views of the world, get them talking, just get huge depositions, with some day/date particulars sprinkled in throughout. Much harder for someone to keep a fake timeline straight in their mind under that kind of friendly but long interrogation. A few other techniques as well. I’ve always found that if you listen, you find out things.
The departments that handled this case demonstrated that they will never be able to solve this, so they really, most unfortunately, should not waste another penny on it. If someone speaks out, possibly years from now, the case might break, but it’s highly doubtful. When you think about it logically, Casey has no reason to talk - she was acquitted and the last thing she wants to see is the inside of a courtroom - for any reason. And all the drug-sex-cabal she’s involved with, the bella vita crowd, no one is ratting on anyone, I don’t believe. All they would have to look forward to is prosecution.
My questions are for George and Cindy. If they are under the belief that this was an accident, it would make sense that they feel closure and no need to find out anything else. If they believe that Casey murdered Caylee, they may be very upset, but Casey can’t be tried again. But they would probably be utterly tired of Casey’s lifestyle. If they think someone else murdered Caylee, they would presumably want to see the murderer identified and then tried and convicted. So it will be interesting to see what they do over the years...
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