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Jesus' Great-Grandmother Identified
Discovery News ^ | Thursday, December 9, 2010 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 05/19/2011 6:07:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The great-grandmother of Jesus was a woman named Ismeria, according to Florentine medieval manuscripts analyzed by a historian.

The legend of St. Ismeria, presented in the current Journal of Medieval History, sheds light on both the Biblical Virgin Mary's family and also on religious and cultural values of 14th-century Florence.

"I don't think any other woman is mentioned" as Mary's grandmother in the Bible, Catherine Lawless, author of the paper, told Discovery News. "Mary's patrilineal lineage is the only one given."

"Mary herself is mentioned very little in the Bible," added Lawless, a lecturer in history at the University of Limerick. "The huge Marian cult that has evolved over centuries has very few scriptural sources."

Lawless studied the St. Ismeria story, which she said has been "ignored by scholars," in two manuscripts: the 14th century "MS Panciatichiano 40" of Florence's National Central Library and the 15th century "MS 1052" of the Riccardiana Library, also in Florence.

"According to the legend, Ismeria is the daughter of Nabon of the people of Judea, and of the tribe of King David," wrote Lawless. She married "Santo Liseo," who is described as "a patriarch of the people of God." The legend continues that the couple had a daughter named Anne who married Joachim. After 12 years, Liseo died. Relatives then left Ismeria penniless.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.discovery.com ...


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The legend of St. Ismeria marks a shift in belief, as sanctity was previously more often earned by blood martyrdom rather than piety. [iStockphoto]

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1 posted on 05/19/2011 6:07:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 05/19/2011 6:10:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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3 posted on 05/19/2011 6:11:11 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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“St. Ismeria” (”Grand-mother” of Jesus?). I thought “Saints” were deemed to have been born AD, not BC.


4 posted on 05/19/2011 6:14:29 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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http://mcdonaldroad.org/sermons/97/971227kc.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=the+begats


5 posted on 05/19/2011 6:15:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

Great Granny Jesus just doesn’t sound right...


6 posted on 05/19/2011 6:25:34 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: The Bronze Titan
I thought “Saints” were deemed to have been born AD, not BC.

Saint Joseph: According to catholic.org, Joseph was a saint, and similarly for, "Mary . . . The Mother, of God, Mother of Jesus, wife of St. Joseph, and the greatest of all Christian saints". Most were AD, but there are a few exceptions who were contemporaries. Still, as you say, I have doubts on this woman's sainthood (or even her identity).

7 posted on 05/19/2011 6:27:07 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nancy Pelosi?


8 posted on 05/19/2011 6:30:55 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: The Bronze Titan

Not so much. I am Eastern Orthodox. You better believe that St. Simeon the Righteous, the God-Receiver (who received Jesus at His Presentation at the Temple in Jerusalem)...

As is Moses the Law-Giver...

As are the Psalmist, King, and Propet David...
And Solomon...

I cuold go on, but you get the picture.


9 posted on 05/19/2011 6:39:56 PM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: The Bronze Titan
I thought “Saints” were deemed to have been born AD, not BC.
The mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary, has always been referred to in Catholic and Orthodox circles as "St. Anne." ST. Joseph was certainly born B.C., as was St. Mary herself.
10 posted on 05/19/2011 7:10:40 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Saint Ismeria is a new one on me; I had never heard of her before.

Nice read, and interesting scholarship regarding a Florentine LEGEND; but the headline is another typical bait & switch. Wouldn’t surprise me if Catherine Lawless was apalled at how this article about her work was titled.

The headline, “Jesus’ Great-Grandmother Identified” is an emphatic statement of Biblical historical discovery.

The subtitle, “Medieval legends suggest that Ismeria, a descendent of the tribe of King David, was the grandmother of the Virgin Mary,” is a ‘maybe’ based upon a Medieval legend that most likely has no more basis in historical fact than the legends of the Questing Beast, or Spencer’s Blatant Beast.


11 posted on 05/19/2011 7:22:09 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

;’)


12 posted on 05/19/2011 7:24:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

And the name of Noah’s wife has been found....Mrs. Noah!


13 posted on 05/19/2011 7:39:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I’m glad you picked that up. It amazes me how folks chase after legends with no connection to a primary source. The 14th Century? I could say Aunt Jemima was a great great grandmother of Jesus, with just as much authority as this case. There is no way to test it.

And I have on good authority she made some killer pancakes in her time.


14 posted on 05/19/2011 7:47:52 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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HAH! Now we know you don’t know nothin’ ... Jemima made the syrup, her sister Jemina made the cakes! *mumble mumble mumble*


15 posted on 05/19/2011 7:50:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Okay, who are the other 3?


16 posted on 05/19/2011 8:03:38 PM PDT by gthog61
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To: ApplegateRanch
There was no “tribe of David”. Both the Virgin Mary and Joseph were descendants of King David, but there was no David tribe.
17 posted on 05/19/2011 8:13:12 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

Correct, but I was feeling generous, and took it to mean “the tribe David belonged to”, the Tribe of Judah.


18 posted on 05/19/2011 8:24:13 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: kabumpo

Correct. Tribe of Judah, House of David.


19 posted on 05/19/2011 8:33:33 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: count-your-change

According to the imminent resource, Red Buttons, her name was Stephanie. He said so in one of his ‘never got a dinner’ presentations. [If you need to laugh until your stomach aches, youtube search for Red Buttons/Never Got A Dinner celebrity roasts. IIRC, Stephanie came up when the roast was of George Burns, or maybe it was Frank Sinatra.]


20 posted on 05/19/2011 9:10:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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