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Posted on 04/28/2011 12:41:05 PM PDT by decimon
The body of a girl thought to have been murdered by Roman soldiers has been discovered in north Kent.
Archaeologists working on the site of a Roman settlement near the A2 uncovered the girl who died almost 2,000 years ago.
"She was killed by a Roman sword stabbing her in the back of the head," said Dr Paul Wilkinson, director of the excavation.
"By the position of the entry wound she would have been kneeling at the time."
The Roman conquest of Britain began in AD43, and the construction of Watling Street started soon afterwards linking Canterbury to St Albans.
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Many people have a romantic view of the Roman invasion, Dr Wilkinson said.
"Now, for the first time, we have an indication of how the Roman armies treated people, and that large numbers of the local populations were killed.
"It shows how all invading armies act the same throughout history. One can only imagine what trauma this poor girl had to suffer before she was killed," he said.
She will be re-buried at the site.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
“Yes. Sword control was a big agenda item with Julius Caesar. There was no II Amendment under the Romans.”
They were having the same dispute we are, though.
Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. (A sword is never a killer; it is a tool in the killer’s hands.)
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, circa 45 AD
“CSI Roman Empire” — hmm, not bad...
Are you referring to the Vacation at Normandy?
Vacation at Normandy, huh? Yeah, real picnic.
BTW, I don’t know where you live, but I hope you can visit the D-Day memorial near Bedford, VA. Beautifully done and most inspiring.
There is a heck of a lot of surmising here.
A) How the heck do they know for certain it was a Roman Sword?
B) How do they know for certain it was welded by a “Roman” - whatever that meant in 50 A.D. - and not an auxiliary or even another Briton using a stolen sword?
C) Why was she killed in the first place? At 16 - 20 an individual, even a female, was capable of fighting in that culture.
It would seem that the people here allowed their imaginations to run a bit away with them.
But if you read Tacitus, you already KNOW that in battle situations Roman Soldiers, like all ancient soldiers, slaughtered as many of the enemy as they could get their hands on - combatants and non-combatants and so did their opponents.
Ancient warfare was not pretty - but then, neither is modern warfare.
I guess only under limited circumstances in the 1700’s and 1800’s was any real attempt made to civilize it - an effort doomed to failure, unfortunately.
Just a substantial part of our vocabulary, the transmission of Classical culture and architecture, engineering, better agricultural practices, a temporary relief from attacks by other barbarians, participation in a large free trade zone with reasonable protection against marauders and pirates, eventually a new religion called Christianity, a concept of law and justice that went beyond things like trial by ordeal or combat, freedom from being being sacrificed to various gruesome pagan deities, cities, sanitation, etc.
Nothing much really. We were much better off in the 700’s and 800’s - right?
Obviously
I LIKE that statement!!!
Uhh. Only in areas where the Romans had established total control.
Britain in 50 AD was not one of them.
The Romans did believe in disarming the public. Even in Italy, citizens were not allowed to carry arms. At one time in their history it was illegal to bring arms into the City at all - a rule which was circumvented with sharpened styluses.
BINGO.
More politically correct, anti-western propaganda.
Right.
Western Europeans were better left alone to slaughter each other in intertribal warfare in contentment and freedom.
The Roman preference was to conquer and allow the conquered people to submit, pay their taxes, and enjoy the Roman Peace.
Where the people just will not behave themselves, they preferred to kill them all rather than let the situation fester interminably, like the Palestinians vs Israelis.
And the Italians will say "waddya talkingabout? That gel's relatives are now the Welsh, who you tossed out, so do we pay the Welsh or do you?" ;-P
You are talking about Boadicea, right?
I think that's a mistake, that's showing in the current crop of students coming out of English schools.
Folks learning Latin do better at math and analytical thinking, plus, learning another language does help expand the mind and provide more connections and abilities to make connections
well, no, the body counts were never “huge” as the population of the world in 50 BC would have been about 100 million or so. The population of the British islands wold have been in the 100s of thousands at the most. Roman armies were counted in thousands, not millions like in WWI.
And Rome didn't become a power by accident -- at least not after Marius and Sulla. It was slowly expanding until ~350 BC when the Gauls invaded Rome. Then it had to reform its army and started the nucleus of the disciplined fighting army that became the hallmark of Rome.
From that point on, Rome's destiny was set. It slowly expanded to the southern boot of Italy.
Yes, the Pyrrhic wars were not Roma's fault -- they were asked to intervene by one of the Greek Sicilian states and then another Greek Sicilian state called on the King of Macedonia to get involved.
But Rome won that and cowed Greek power in the Western Mediterranean.
With the removal of that, the Romans became direct competitors of Carthage.
After dispatching the Carthaginians, they discovered the CArthaginian provinces of Hiszpania, so expanded over Spain and the south of France, then slowly towards Illyria and Greece. Here the Greek city states and the other states in the Mediterranean called on Roman help (read below from the biblical book Maccabees the way the Hyrcanean Kings of Judea called in the Romans) -- the Selucid and other Dodeci empires of the Greeks were collapsing, and the Romans filled that vacuum, along with the Parthians (who took over the eastern part of that, right from Sogdiana (present day Tajikistan/Kirghizia) to Iraq.
The only thing that was strange was them stopping at the Rhine -- I blame Hadrian for that.
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Right. She got little pissed off after being flogged and her daughters raped by Romans.
In Australia, because of the Asia Pacific region & trade, Chinese (especially Mandarin for business), Indonesian (Bahasa Indonesia) & Japanese, can be very useful.
I agree, learning another language helps expand the mind. It can also, very much, provide insight into another culture - what is valued, how to appropriately phrase a request or make a point. Expressions/idioms can be particularly revealing.
Thanks for the ping.
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