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The world’s oldest water?
Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council ^ | February 19, 2011 | Unknown

Posted on 02/19/2011 5:13:56 PM PST by decimon

Washington — New evidence bolsters the notion that deep saline groundwaters in South Africa's Witwatersrand Basin may have remained isolated for many thousands, perhaps even millions, of years.

The study, recently accepted for publication in Chemical Geology, found the noble gas neon dissolved in water in three-kilometre deep crevices.

The unusual neon profile, along with the high salinities and some other unique chemical signatures, is very different from anything seen in molten fluid and gases rising from beneath the Earth's crust, according to University of Toronto professor Barbara Sherwood Lollar, who is the Canadian member of the international team that produced the results.

"The chemical signatures also don't match those of ocean water or waters higher up in the Witwatersrand Basin, where as in most regions of the crust ground waters show evidence of mixing with surface waters and are extensively colonized by microorganisms," she said. "We concluded that the deeper waters were the product of isolation and extensive chemical interaction between water and rock over incredibly long geological time scales."

The smoking gun was the ancient basement rock.

"We know that this specific neon isotope signature was produced and trapped within the rock at least two billion years ago. We can still find it there today," Dr. Sherwood Lollar said. "The study shows some of the neon found its way outside of the rock minerals, gradually dissolving into, and accumulating in, fluids in crevices. This could only happen in waters that have indeed been cut off from the surface for extremely long time periods."

The discovery adds yet another dimension to what has only recently been recognized as a truly unique environment.

One of these fracture systems contains the deepest known microbial ecosystems on Earth. These are organisms that eke out an existence independent from sunlight on chemical energy that originates from rock.

"These deep microbial communities radically expand our concept of the habitability of the Earth's subsurface and, indeed, our biosphere," said Dr. Sherwood Lollar.

"Given that they have a genetic similarity to organisms found at hydrothermal vents, we assume this is not a separate origin of life, but instead these organisms arrived from elsewhere to colonize these rocks in ancient times," she said.

"Clearly the long period of isolation affected their evolution. This is one area we hope to explore with continuing research with our microbiology colleagues."

The lead author of the paper is Johanna Lippmann-Pipke of the Helmholtz-Zentrum Dresden-Rossendorf in Leipzig, Germany. Researchers from that country, South Africa, the United States and Canada participated in the study.

Dr. Sherwood Lollar will be available to discuss the new findings at this year's meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in Washington, DC. On Sunday, February 20, she will take part in a panel discussion on global water issues at the Think Canada Press Breakfast. ###

Dr. Sherwood Lollar receives funding from the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada.

Contact:

Arnet Sheppard NSERC

Tel.: 1-613-293-3502

E-mail: arnet.sheppard@nserc-crsng.gc.ca


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; southafrica; xplanets
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To: SunkenCiv
...extremophile. panspermia topic...

Don't people get banned for this?

41 posted on 02/20/2011 3:53:09 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

;’)


42 posted on 02/20/2011 4:06:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: blam

Say it kills germs that cause bad breath, and we can market it as LIsterine.


43 posted on 02/20/2011 4:07:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv

“...extremophile. panspermia topic...

Don’t people get banned for this? “ I was afraid to even ask.


44 posted on 02/20/2011 4:44:57 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: decimon

45 posted on 02/20/2011 8:12:46 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: SatinDoll
You are assuming all compounds, in water and atmosphere, have remained the same over time.

No I'm not. I just said all of the ELEMENTS are the same age. Compounds form and break up all the time. The ELEMENTS are the same age.

46 posted on 02/20/2011 8:47:31 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: cynwoody
All I said was that the ELEMENTS are all the same age. Compounds come and go. The ice core compounds have been stable for a long time. So what? The ELEMENTS that structure the compounds are all the same age. Compounds come and go. Elements are all the same age.
47 posted on 02/20/2011 8:50:17 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: cynwoody
Irrelevant! Are you on Earth? Are you 4.2 billion years old?

In a manner, yes. I am made up of compounds structured by elements. The elements are all the same age. The compounds that form me are much newer.

48 posted on 02/20/2011 8:51:45 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: whd23

This is only a theory. Nobody can prove any of that collapsing star stuff. Only a theory. No proof.


49 posted on 02/20/2011 8:53:19 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: muawiyah
Given long enough time many isotopes of rather common elements will decay into OTHER STUFF.

If they can decay into other stuff, then, they are not really elements. What does gold decay into?

50 posted on 02/20/2011 8:54:56 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: decimon

Interesting stuff. Good post.
Along the same line, I will be very interested to see what’s swimming around in Lake Vostok.


51 posted on 02/20/2011 9:00:25 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: April Lexington

Elements can be created, April.


52 posted on 02/20/2011 10:50:54 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

They cannot. The exist and maybe they reemerge from stars or whatever. But they exist. If they don’t exist, you and I don’t exist. Think it through... Forget about what the Lefties taught you at the University. Think it through.


53 posted on 02/21/2011 5:08:53 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

Gold (Au) has one stable isotope, 197Au, and 18 radioisotopes with 195Au being the most stable with a half-life of 186 days.


54 posted on 02/21/2011 5:10:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Gold (Au) has one stable isotope, 197Au, and 18 radioisotopes with 195Au being the most stable with a half-life of 186 days.

Oh, and then it stops being gold, right?

55 posted on 02/21/2011 5:14:40 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: decimon
"These deep microbial communities radically expand our concept of the habitability of the Earth's subsurface and, indeed, our biosphere," said Dr. Sherwood Lollar.

Sherwood, Thomas Gold had you by a couple decades:

Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA
Vol. 89, pp. 6045-6049, July 1992
The deep, hot biosphere
56 posted on 02/21/2011 5:19:09 AM PST by aruanan
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To: April Lexington
I hate to rain on the parade but all of the elements were created at the exact same time. They have been forming compounds and breaking up ever since. Everything on Earth is the same initial age. If not... where did the new elements come from (other than the fake and unstable ones created in accelerators)...

I hate to rain on your parade, but water's not an element.
57 posted on 02/21/2011 5:20:20 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

I hate to rain on your parade but reading in English is important. Elements are the same age. COMPOUNDS come and go.


58 posted on 02/21/2011 5:28:37 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: aruanan
Apparently, from all of the posts I've received on this subject, math and science skills do not translate into reading skills. I'd be concerned about that if I were a scientist...
59 posted on 02/21/2011 5:29:50 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

I hope none of these folks are working on the Space Shuttle “O” Rings this week...


60 posted on 02/21/2011 5:32:14 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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