Posted on 01/06/2011 9:51:05 PM PST by Palter
Who discovered America? It's a simple question and one that usually brings the standard response - Christopher Columbus. But here in Wales we have our own theory. And that theory says that America was actually discovered 300 years before Columbus sailed "the ocean blue" in 1492 - and more importantly, that it was discovered by a Welshman.
Mandan Indians used Bull Boats for transport and fishing that are identical to the Welsh coracle.
The man in question was Prince Madoc, the son of Owain Gwynedd, one of the greatest and most important rulers in the country, and while the legend cannot be corroborated there are many who believe it implicitly. Owain Gwynedd certainly existed, his reign being marred by long and hard-fought disputes with Henry II, king of England.
The story goes that in 1170 Owain died and, almost immediately, a violent and very bloody dispute arose between his 13 children regarding the succession. Madoc and his brother Rhirid were so upset and angered by events that they decided they wanted no further part in what was happening. Indeed, they wanted nothing more to do with their family or their homeland. They duly took ship from Rhos on Sea (Llandrillo) and sailed westwards to see what they could find.
What Prince Madoc found, so the legend runs, was America. He and his brother managed to cross the Atlantic and land on the shores of the New World. Madoc returned to Gwynedd for more men, then sailed off again, this time never to return. His sailors inter-married with a local Native American tribe and for years the rumour of Welsh speaking Native American tribes was widely believed.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
‘Europe’s Last Pagans’ Worship in Marii El Grove
http://mariuveren.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/europes-last-pagans/
Traditional Mari also lived much like Plains Indians, with typees and buckskin. I first heard of them when studying Native Americans.
I just learned something.
"He told others about it! Fur shur the ancient Peruvian dope dealers who took all that coke to Egypt didn't really tell anybody where they came from ~ or the Egyptians would have found it!"
(ahem) At times, I've mentioned that these people in Peru may be the remnants of the exiled gold miners of King David.
Kuelap - The Machu Picchu Of Northern Peru (Chachapoyas - White, blonde haired people)
Inca chronicles and legends persist that the Cloud People were tall fair (skin and hair) warriors. This is reinforced by an unusually large proportion of blond, fair natives in this zone who know of no European ancestry.
Here’s your problem ~ a currently strong hypothesis is that “white folks” just popped up one day in Europe as recently as 5,000 years ago.
Thanks. There’s another group of some size in Ukraine. We had a young lady at IU way back when who was a traditional priestess in that religion, as were the women in her family before her. She held seances and did dances with a drum and so forth. Otherwise she grew up in Pittsburgh or Cleveland.
Nah.
See my post #63 on this thread:
European Skin Turned Pale Only Recently, Gene Suggests
"A few genes have previously been associated with human pigment disorders -- most notably those that, when mutated, lead to albinism, an extreme form of pigment loss. But the newly found glitch is the first found to play a role in the formation of "normal" white skin. The Penn State team calculates that the gene, known as slc24a5, is responsible for about one-third of the pigment loss that made black skin white. A few other as-yet-unidentified mutated genes apparently account for the rest.
Although precise dating is impossible, several scientists speculated on the basis of its spread and variation that the mutation arose between 20,000 and 50,000 years ago. That would be consistent with research showing that a wave of ancestral humans migrated northward and eastward out of Africa about 50,000 years ago.
1/3 on just one gene ~ at the same time this last week the “Out of Africa” hypothesis took another whack with the discovery of “modern teeth” in Israel dating back many beaucoup years (400,000 years wasn’t it).
the saami and the berbers are related
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15791543
Undoubtedly additional studies will be done that will find yet other kinds.
And then threw their underwear at them. Yes, that’s exactly how it happened.
Thanks for the input.
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