Posted on 12/24/2010 8:47:24 PM PST by decimon
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Horse sh**. Just another attempt to turn people into vegans.
My magnificent yellow tabby isn’t happy to hear this.
I’ve been vegan almost 3 yrs now, going vegan after reading peer-reviewed studies on the effect of the diet on diabetes. My diabetic uncle was on dialysis for years, had both legs amputated, and died of a massive infection. This guy was a colonel in the Army Reserves, motorcycle enthusiast, and ‘man’s man’ who wouldn’t take any advice for managing his health.
I’ve been diabetic about 12 years. For blacks such as myself, one of the most frequent complications is kidney failure. My kidney tests come back in the normal range all the time - and after this long as a diabetic there is generally some decrease in function.
For some people, going vegan or vegetarian, is one of the best things they can do for their health. It is still a free society, President Obama not withstanding. If you want to eat meat, eat all you want. I’m going to stick with the veggies and beans and protect my health.
I don’t know why people (and not just here on FR) have a need to make remarks about what people eat. You eat vegetables too, you know, I just happen to eat more of them. Actually, what people eat really doesn’t deserve comment, but since some one reading these boards may be diabetic or have other issues that relate to kidney health, I’m going to speak up and encourage people to put more vegetables and less meat in their diet.
Merry Christmas!
Vegans are the worlds worst people for "going on about what people eat", this article is a prime example. Fake reports trying to push people to an all vegan diet. Yep, I eat veggies, but I also gobble as much meat as I can and I always will.
I don’t know why people (and not just here on FR) have a need to make remarks about what people eat. You eat vegetables too, you know, I just happen to eat more of them. Actually, what people eat really doesn’t deserve comment, but since some one reading these boards may be diabetic or have other issues that relate to kidney health, I’m going to speak up and encourage people to put more vegetables and less meat in their diet.”
Everything you have said in your comment is just so, ... rational. Well stated. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
It is an individual thing. Your age, gender and all-the-other-stuff-you-can't-know are factors.
Sorry about your uncle.
Phosphorous levels plummet in kidney disease patients who stick to a vegetarian diet......Gotta be Israel's fault that phosphorous levels were high in the first place. /sarc
From a forty-year vegetarian, Merry Christmas to you, to other Freeper herbivore types, to omnivores, meat partisans, and everyone else!
Some Seventh Day Adventist I know have known this Veg. diet for Kidney Disease for years. Am I Adventist? no, but I have no problem with their beliefs.
“Individuals with kidney disease cannot adequately rid the body of phosphorus, which is found in dietary proteins and is a common food additive.”
True but the leading source of phosphorus is dairy, beans, nuts, some grains, and processed foods. Vegetables and fruit also are the leading sources of potassium, which also those with kidney disease can’t get rid of it, without dialysis. Again potassium is used as an additive in processed foods. The real culprit is processed foods. A person on dialysis has to replace lost protein, it can be done on a vegan diet but is difficult without the aid of phosphorus binders.
“Disclosures: Sharon Moe is a consultant and has received honoraria and/or grant support from Shire, Genzyme, and Ineos, makers of phosphate binders. “
Bingo.
“her colleagues studied the effects of vegetarian and meat-based diets on phosphorous levels in nine patients with CKD. Patients followed a vegetarian or meat-based diet for one week, followed by the opposite diet two-to four- weeks later. Blood and urine tests were performed at the end of each week on both diets.”
An awfully small test group and short time to determine anything.
It also says this:
"...a grain-based diet has a lower phosphate-to-protein ratio and much of the phosphate is in the form of phytate, which is not absorbed in humans."
Bingo.
“her colleagues studied the effects of vegetarian and meat-based diets on phosphorous levels in nine patients with CKD. Patients followed a vegetarian or meat-based diet for one week, followed by the opposite diet two-to four- weeks later. Blood and urine tests were performed at the end of each week on both diets.”
An awfully small test group and short time to determine anything.
Actually, no BINGO, if this vegetarian diet hypothesis will lower the phosphorus/phosphate levels in patients with chronic kidney disease, then they will need less phosphate binders. You have to start somewhere with sample sizes. Bigger samples sizes also require more dirtary counseling and support.
>> “The real culprit is processed foods” <<
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Absolutely true!
No matter what the disease pathology may be, processed foods with non-life source ingredients are generally at the root of the problem.
Interesting. It’s a huge challenge lowering phosphorous intake when going through Chronic Renal Failure. Just look at food labels; many prepared foods now have some kind of phosphorous additive (it will have “phos” in it’s name).
My dietician while I was on dialysis used to ponder what type of problems this will have in the future for healthy people without kidney problems. (excess intake in those with chronic renal failure sucks calcium out of the bones and into the bloodstream, causing bone weakness and plaques in the arteries)
When you think about phosphate metabolism, biochemistry and physiology from DNA, RNA, ATP, ADP to cyclic AMP, it’s quite amazing.
Good for you. My mom was on the ESRD diet for 10 years. It kept her off of dialysis.
I figured I would be going on the same diet eventually, but found out I have to avoid some of the very foods my mom ate and follow a different diet, even though I love beans and vegetables.
Clinical Ramifications of Malabsorption of Fructose and Other Short-chain Carbohydrates
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