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To: decimon

“Individuals with kidney disease cannot adequately rid the body of phosphorus, which is found in dietary proteins and is a common food additive.”

True but the leading source of phosphorus is dairy, beans, nuts, some grains, and processed foods. Vegetables and fruit also are the leading sources of potassium, which also those with kidney disease can’t get rid of it, without dialysis. Again potassium is used as an additive in processed foods. The real culprit is processed foods. A person on dialysis has to replace lost protein, it can be done on a vegan diet but is difficult without the aid of phosphorus binders.

“Disclosures: Sharon Moe is a consultant and has received honoraria and/or grant support from Shire, Genzyme, and Ineos, makers of phosphate binders. “

Bingo.

“her colleagues studied the effects of vegetarian and meat-based diets on phosphorous levels in nine patients with CKD. Patients followed a vegetarian or meat-based diet for one week, followed by the opposite diet two-to four- weeks later. Blood and urine tests were performed at the end of each week on both diets.”

An awfully small test group and short time to determine anything.


14 posted on 12/25/2010 11:46:32 AM PST by FreedomGuru (Obama is a home grown terrorist.)
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To: FreedomGuru
True but the leading source of phosphorus is dairy, beans, nuts, some grains, and processed foods.

It also says this:

"...a grain-based diet has a lower phosphate-to-protein ratio and much of the phosphate is in the form of phytate, which is not absorbed in humans."

15 posted on 12/25/2010 12:34:46 PM PST by decimon
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“Disclosures: Sharon Moe is a consultant and has received honoraria and/or grant support from Shire, Genzyme, and Ineos, makers of phosphate binders. “

Bingo.

“her colleagues studied the effects of vegetarian and meat-based diets on phosphorous levels in nine patients with CKD. Patients followed a vegetarian or meat-based diet for one week, followed by the opposite diet two-to four- weeks later. Blood and urine tests were performed at the end of each week on both diets.”

An awfully small test group and short time to determine anything.

Actually, no BINGO, if this vegetarian diet hypothesis will lower the phosphorus/phosphate levels in patients with chronic kidney disease, then they will need less phosphate binders. You have to start somewhere with sample sizes. Bigger samples sizes also require more dirtary counseling and support.

Vegetarian Compared with Meat Dietary Protein Source and Phosphorus Homeostasis in Chronic Kidney Disease

Association of serum phosphorus and calcium x phosphate product with mortality risk in chronic hemodialysis patients: a national study.

16 posted on 12/26/2010 2:25:31 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: FreedomGuru

>> “The real culprit is processed foods” <<

.
Absolutely true!

No matter what the disease pathology may be, processed foods with non-life source ingredients are generally at the root of the problem.


17 posted on 12/27/2010 11:25:37 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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