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Anthropologists looking for Roman legion in China
Newstrack India ^ | Sunday, November 21, 2010 | ANI

Posted on 11/22/2010 4:06:21 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Experts at the newly established Italian Studies Center at Lanzhou University in Gansu province are looking into the possibility that some European-looking Chinese in Northwest China are the descendants of a lost army from the Roman Empire.

They will conduct excavations on a section of the Silk Road, a 7,000-kilometer trade route that linked Asia and Europe more than 2,000 years ago, to see if a legion of Roman soldiers settled in China, said Yuan Honggeng, head of the center, reports China Daily...

Before Marco Polo's travels to China in the 13th century, the only known contact between the two empires was a visit by Roman diplomats in 166 AD.

Chinese archaeologists were therefore surprised in the 1990s to find the remains of an ancient fortification in Liqian, a remote town in Yongchang county on the edge of a desert area, that was strikingly similar to Roman defense structures.

They were even more astonished to find Western-looking people with green, deep-set eyes, long hooked noses and blond hair.

DNA tests in 2005 confirmed some of the villagers were indeed of Caucasian origin, leading many experts to conclude they are descendants of an ancient Roman army headed by general Marcus Crassus.

Though some anthropologists are convinced the Caucasian-looking villagers in Yongchang county are the descendants of the soldiers, others are not so certain.

"The county is on the Silk Road, so there were many chances for trans-national marriages," said Yang Gongle, of the Beijing Normal University.

"The 'foreign' origin of the Yongchang villagers, as proven by the DNA tests, does not necessarily mean they are of ancient Roman origin," said Gongle.

(Excerpt) Read more at newstrackindia.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: china; dna; emptydna; godsgravesglyphs; homerhdubs; india; liqian; liquan; mtdna; romanempire; romansinchina; uzbekistan
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This is an update, as you can see in the list I'm about to post.

1 posted on 11/22/2010 4:06:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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Roman Descendants Found In China?
The Telegraph (UK) | 2-2-2007 | Richard Spencer
Posted on 02/01/2007 6:08:49 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1777711/posts

Romans in China?
Archaeology | Volume 52 Number 3, May/June 1999 | Erling Hoh
Posted on 07/18/2004 8:43:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1173944/posts

Roman Legion Founded Chinese City
Ansa | 7-25-2005
Posted on 07/31/2005 12:31:23 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1454296/posts

Roman-Style Column Bolsters Han Dynasty Tomb
Peoples Daily | 4-9-2007
Posted on 04/08/2007 6:41:47 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1814182/posts

Ancient European Remains Discovered In Qinghai (China)
Xinhuanet/China View | 7-6-2004
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Bricks With Molded Designs Unearthed In Chongqing (Caucasians in Ancient China)
Xinhuanet.com/China View | 1-12-2004
Posted on 01/12/2004 12:28:45 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1056341/posts

Nestorian Tablet in China
Internet History Sourcebooks Project, Fordham University | July1998 | ed Paul Halsall
Posted on 07/21/2004 11:04:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1175726/posts

Romans May Have Learned From Chinese Great Wall: Archaeologists
People’s Daily Online/Xinhua | 12-20-2005
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Archeologists discover ancient graffiti on China’s Great Wall
Yahoo News | July 11, 2004 | AFP
Posted on 07/11/2004 4:17:46 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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Ancient Engraved Chessboards Found On Great Wall
People’s Daily - Xinhua | 6-5-2006
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Multiplication Table From 1,800 Years Ago Discovered In Hunan
Peoples Daily | 3-9-2004
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More evidence unearthed at ancient port of Muziris
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Tamil Trade
INTAMM | 1997 | Xavier S. Thani Nayagam
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South Indians in Roman Egypt?
Frontline, from the publishers of The Hindu | Volume 27, Issue 8, April 10-23, 2010 | R. Krishnakumar
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2 posted on 11/22/2010 4:07:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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This is an update to earlier stories, see the links to the FRchives (above).

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3 posted on 11/22/2010 4:14:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bump for reference.


4 posted on 11/22/2010 4:21:16 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Experts .... are looking into the possibility that some European-looking Chinese in Northwest China are the descendants of a lost army from the Roman Empire. ... archaeologists were therefore surprised in the 1990s to find the remains of an ancient fortification in Liqian, a remote town in Yongchang county on the edge of a desert area

If they were "Lost", they were really "lost".
Liqian, China is in the middle of nowhere. 'Remote' is putting it mildly.

5 posted on 11/22/2010 4:38:08 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: SunkenCiv
If they were lost, they were REALLY lost!


6 posted on 11/22/2010 5:03:41 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: COBOL2Java

They refused to ask for directions . . .


7 posted on 11/22/2010 5:06:58 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did they take the express from Teutoburg and get off on the wrong stop?


8 posted on 11/22/2010 5:32:24 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Experts at the newly established Italian Studies Center at Lanzhou University in Gansu province are looking into the possibility that some European-looking Chinese in Northwest China are the descendants of a lost army from the Roman Empire. "

There were Caucasians in Gansu Province a 1,000 years before there was a Rome.

In fact, one archaeologist believes that Caucasians are from the Gansu Province region.

9 posted on 11/22/2010 5:34:36 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
Wow the Romans kept a Legion in China all these years. Amazing. Like the Japanese soldiers in the Pacific. ;-)
10 posted on 11/22/2010 5:35:54 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (What flavor Kool-aid are you drinking?)
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To: SunkenCiv

bump


11 posted on 11/22/2010 5:39:53 AM PST by bubman
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To: blam
Genetic testing reveals awkward truth about Xinjiang’s famous mummies (Caucasian)

"The discoveries in the 1980s of the undisturbed 4,000-year-old ”Beauty of Loulan” and the younger 3,000-year-old body of the ”Charchan Man” are legendary in world archaeological circles for the fine state of their preservation and for the wealth of knowledge they bring to modern research."

12 posted on 11/22/2010 5:49:04 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

One of the ten lost tribes.


13 posted on 11/22/2010 5:56:25 AM PST by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

bumpus maximus


14 posted on 11/22/2010 6:06:35 AM PST by Oratam
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To: SunkenCiv

grafitti on the Great Wall?

Brian is writing graffiti on the palace wall. The Centurion catches him in the act]
Centurion: What’s this, then? “Romanes eunt domus”? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
Brian: It says, “Romans go home. “
Centurion: No it doesn’t ! What’s the latin for “Roman”? Come on, come on !
Brian: Er, “Romanus” !
Centurion: Vocative plural of “Romanus” is?
Brian: Er, er, “Romani” !
Centurion: [Writes “Romani” over Brian’s graffiti] “Eunt”? What is “eunt”? Conjugate the verb, “to go” !
Brian: Er, “Ire”. Er, “eo”, “is”, “it”, “imus”, “itis”, “eunt”.
Centurion: So, “eunt” is...?
Brian: Third person plural present indicative, “they go”.
Centurion: But, “Romans, go home” is an order. So you must use...?
[He twists Brian’s ear]
Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative !
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, “i” !
Centurion: How many Romans?
Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, “ite” !
Centurion: [Writes “ite”] “Domus”? Nominative? “Go home” is motion towards, isn’t it?
Brian: Dative !
[the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, “Domum” !
Centurion: But “Domus” takes the locative, which is...?
Brian: Er, “Domum” !
Centurion: [Writes “Domum”] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
Centurion: Hail Caesar ! And if it’s not done by sunrise, I’ll cut your balls off.


15 posted on 11/22/2010 6:56:53 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill

I think these people were the Tocharians, the same people who left the Taklamakan Desert Mummies - FAR OLDER than the Romans.


16 posted on 11/22/2010 7:10:00 AM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: ZULU; ScaniaBoy
"I think these people were the Tocharians"

Trojans, who also were the origins of Scandinavians.

yitbos

17 posted on 11/22/2010 10:59:33 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

???????????????

No, Tocharians.


18 posted on 11/22/2010 11:20:32 AM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: ZULU
"Trojans. No, Tocharians."

Honorable speculators may disagree.

yitbos

19 posted on 11/22/2010 8:04:24 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

So, the Trojans may have been displaced Tocharians? Or were the Tocharians displaced Trojans? Lots of displacing went around back in the olden days.

My guess on these particular oldies is that they may have been the Roman legionaries under whatshisname... but that they got sold into slavery as a group after their defeat.

Roman soldiers were also used as builders for Roman forts when the Romans went to places that needed forts built, so the former soldiers may have been put to use for such.


20 posted on 11/23/2010 2:18:34 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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